<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Aftab,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">RADb is a public registry of network routing information which is run by a different organisation. They are responsible for their own data in the RADb database.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Henriette van Ingen</div><div class="">RIPE NCC</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Jul 2018, at 16:59, Aftab Siddiqui via db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" class="">db-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Hi Henriette,<br class="">Thanks for the update. Are you also talking to radb to remove misleading object for the same prefix and it’s deaggregates? <br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 10:49 pm, Henriette Van Ingen via db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" class="">db-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Dear all,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We would like to inform you that the RIPE NCC has de-registered <a href="http://188.64.224.0/21" target="_blank" class="">188.64.224.0/21</a> on 10 July 2018 according to our published procedures. We are in contact with the relevant party.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Henriette van Ingen</div><div class="">Customer Services</div><div class="">RIPE NCC</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Jul 2018, at 11:54, denis walker via db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank" class="">db-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3071050488848028928Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" class=""><span class="">Hi Guys</span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7090" class="">I am sure everyone will disagree with me, but this shows (to me) why it would be better to have one authoritative, accurate, trusted, distributed IRR managed by the 5 RIRs than many independent/commercial IRRs with non authenticated data.</span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7157" class="">cheers</span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">denis</span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">co-chair DB-WG</span></div><div id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7033" dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="m_3071050488848028928qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3071050488848028928yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531475289208_7034"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="m_3071050488848028928yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> <hr size="1" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">From:</span></b> Aftab Siddiqui via db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank" class="">db-wg@ripe.net</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To:</span></b> Geoff Huston <<a href="mailto:gih@apnic.net" target="_blank" class="">gih@apnic.net</a>> <br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Cc:</span></b> RIPE Database Working Group <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank" class="">db-wg@ripe.net</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 12 July 2018, 18:40<br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [db-wg] Source GRS vs RIPE<br class=""> </font> </div> <div class="m_3071050488848028928y_msg_container"><br class=""><div id="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Geoff,<div class=""><div class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Of course Twitter is doing nothing uniquely unusual in this respect, as these are just 7 examples from a pool of some 300 announcements of unallocated address space (a list of such bogons can be found at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/#Bogons" target="_blank" class="">http://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/#Bogons</a>)<br clear="none" class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">:) </div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I have no idea. Something has gone wrong here and the address has come back to the RIR and Twitter apper to be unaware of this.<br clear="none" class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">No, Twitter is absolutely aware of this issue, I alerted their NOC when I got the result this morning from CIDR report (yes, I scrop your data daily) but unfortunately there response was "This prefix is valid and owned by us in RIPE region. Please do your homework before making incorrect accusations." But atleast I tried.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- How and why is this prefix in RADB, given that it is unallocated space? <br clear="none" class="">
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Good question - I wonder what periodic checks the RADB undertakes on the data held in its registry?<br clear="none" class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">No idea, it should be triggered right away when the RIR, who is the authentic source of these resources marked them "Unalloacted". But in a perfect world.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- Why do upstream AS’s accept these advertised prefixes? <br clear="none" class="">
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Maybe they chose to believe that RADB performs robust periodic integrity checks? Or <insert reason here>?<br clear="none" class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Yes, mostly follow RADB. </div><div class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041yqt0134413226" id="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041yqtfd30935"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="m_3071050488848028928yiv3321781041gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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