Hi Randy To some extent I agree with you. I would much rather be talking about the NWIs and bringing some of those issues to a conclusion. But so many other people prefer to talk about me. I have already said I have had some serious health issues over the last couple of years and been under a lot of stress. I accept that some of the things I have said in that time were not my best comments on this list. I can't change the past, only improve on the future. But some members of this establishment are not going to let go of the past. A very small group of regular vocal people seem determined to block me. I am happy to move forward and address the many open issues with the database. And hopefully bring in some new voices to these matters. But I am not a punch bag. If I am attacked I will fight back. So raising the tone of this discussion is not in my hands. Cheers Denis <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Nov 2016 3:32 p.m., "Randy Bush" <<a href="mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> Although Job's prior email was inappropriate, I don't believe that > Denis's reply below was acceptable this whole episode is deeply embarrassing and inappropriate. i dropped arin, apnic, ... because of the schoolyard bullying, trash talk, and political manipulation. the ripe community has always been civil and put the stewardship of the internet above personal interests. we can either return to that or turn out the lights. randy </blockquote></div></div>