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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/2016 6:58 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
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Denis,<br>
<br>
I think your expectations are way too high based on the service
provided and the users who use that service. <br>
<br>
I'll explain. There are <b>over </b>14,000 LIRs, of which I
would venture to guess about less than 40 people really care about
the issues you raise below or in your subsequent post about
"Locking unmaintained PERSON and ROLE objects in the RIPE
Database". The vast majority only care about registering some IP
resource, with a non-insignificant minority only interested in how
to game the system or how to learn to hijack the resources of
others.<br>
<br>
The bloody technical internal details about some DB is just noise
to over 13,000 LIRs. Perhaps some industrial soul wants to take
this WG archives located at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/</a> and run a simple
analysis on the From field and show how many different people
actively participate on a yearly basis. Not gonna be a lot. <br>
<br>
Now go say that you can only have one LIR and not allowed to
create multiple LIRs or somehow limit the ability to get /22s and
you will get hundreds to come out of the woodwork, screaming
racism, nepotism, and anything else they can conjure up. <br>
<br>
I do hear your frustration. Like you, many of us are
perfectionists who want the service to be "just right". But other
work and commitments don't afford us the ability to invest the
time to do just that. In that vacuum, large organizations
thrive. Could RIPE NCC communicate better? Probably. Could RIPE
NCC use a manpower cut? Probably. But all in all, the service
works and that is what 14,000 LIRS really only care about. <br>
<br>
Peace,<br>
-Hank<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_8100">OK so you want it
more professional. This works two ways. Let me throw some
questions to the group. Given the number of people the RIPE
NCC employs related to the RIPE Database, what are they doing?
We have just had an update published on the NWIs showing
virtually no recent discussions on these topics. So either the
RIPE NCC is not working on these items or they are not
communicating about any work done to the community. If they
are not working on these items what are they working on?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_8938">As I
said, they seem to be making lots of improvements to
Webupdates. But maybe not everyone agrees that some of these
changes are improvements. I have asked in the past that
changes should be announced to the community when they are
planned not slipped out into production without telling anyone
about them. But that comment was ignored. I questioned the
mandatory addition of an "abuse-c:" to any ORGANISATION object
created using Webupdates, rather than adding it only to
objects that required it. This issue was brushed under the
carpet. Adding it to all objects is a lazy option when you
don't understand how it works and leads to bad data.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_9057">Given that the
RIPE NCC has such a big, expensive, Communications Department,
why are they not communicating to the members/public about the
changes being made to database services? The RIPE Database
documentation has hardly been changed/updated since I wrote it
nearly 2 years ago. So has nothing changed? If so back to the
first question, what are they working on? Why are the changes
to Webupdates not being properly documented? This is a
community tool, not the NCC's toy.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_9158">The
Communications Department has a style guide for how to write
documentation and announcements about the RIPE Database. This
has never been applied properly since I left. Even today's
announcement about the NWIs does not follow it. Maybe it is no
longer considered important by the RIPE NCC or the RIPE
community to produce documentation or announcements to a
professional standard. It is not good that this organisation
has lowered their standards so much in the last couple of
years.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_13196">cheers</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472738243965_13198">denis<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Database WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net"><db-wg@ripe.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, 1 September 2016, 15:02<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [db-wg] all quiet<br>
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Denis,<br clear="none">
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This is your last warning. You will refrain from making
off topic,<br clear="none">
unprofessional remarks about RIPE NCC staff.<br
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The RIPE community’s strength comes from its breadth of
experience,<br clear="none">
diversity of views, and an open, respectful exchange of
ideas.<br clear="none">
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Please treat each other with tolerance and respect. Free
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open exchange of ideas are encouraged and celebrated.
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:20:51PM +0000, <a
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> Hi guys<br clear="none">
> It has been pretty quiet on this WG for a while.
But I hear from 'sources close to the NCC' that they
have been doing some amasing improvements to the
Webupdates service. In my day at the NCC there was a
manager who said she didn't know what I did (which
says more about her than me). One of the many, many,
many, many things I did was to let the world know what
we were doing. So come on guys, don't be shy, let us
all know what is cooking so we can all rejoice in your
achievements.<br clear="none">
> cheersdenis<br clear="none">
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