[db-wg] Geofeed purpose

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 5:34 PM, denis walker <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi Randy, Sylvain
>
> IANAL either but I understood the main legal issue was that there is no
> defined purpose to use the RIPE Database for geolocation services. So
> whatever is in that referenced file is not covered by a valid purpose. We
> have had the "geoloc:" attribute for a long time. The value of this
> attribute is similar to the data contained in this file. So if that data
> was the problem we would already have a problem without "geofeed:".
>
> Maybe we can cover all this with an appropriate purpose. Suppose we
> defined it in this way:
>
> "Providing geolocation information related to Internet number resources in
> a format defined by current IETF specifications."
>
> This covers having a referenced file as long as the content of that file
> is as defined in the IETF specs.
>


Seeing as the concerns seem to be legal, and NOUAALNDWPTOTV (None Of Us Are
Actual Lawyers Nor Do We Play Them On TeleVision), I suspect that we need
some input from the lawyers.

If we ask "Would adding 'Providing geolocation information related to
Internet number resources in a format defined by current IETF
specifications.' alleviate your concerns?" and they nod happily, then job
done… ?
W



> cheers
> denis
> co-chair DB-WG
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 20:20, Randy Bush via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net>
> wrote:
>
> IANAL and try not to play one on the net. but ...
>
> my reading of why NCC legal has problems with the geofeed: attribute is
> that they see the NCC as legally liable for the content of the geofeed data
> file to which it points.
>
> this concern may be based, for example, in the courts finding pirate bay
> liable for the content to which they pointed, and similar precident.
>
> so the question is not so much the purpose of the database, it is
> constraining the privacy exposing danger in the geofeed files. i think the
> authors of RFC 8805 could be of help here.
>
> but again, IANAL. for one, i charge less :)
>
> randy
>
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