[db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

Hi Denis,

I support the idea of having empty AS-SETs deleted automatically and keeping only AS-NULL in the DB. 

@Edward Shryane question to the DB team: would it be possible to have some functionality in the LIR portal that converts the short-named AS-SETs to the hierarchical ones with a click of a button?  That would help people transition much easier and faster to the hierarchical AS-SETs. Perhaps a button that can be triggered by user and 1) creates a new hierarchical AS-SET 2) copies all elements from old AS-SET to the new one 3) Deletes the old AS-SET 4) Updates the corresponding import/export rules.  


Kind Regards
Stavros

On 23/11/2022, 17:58, "db-wg on behalf of denis walker via db-wg" <db-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:

    Hi Niall

    On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 00:30, Niall O'Reilly via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
    >
    > On 22 Nov 2022, at 19:11, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote:
    >
    > > Careful with this, e.g. AS-NULL. There are some situations where
    > > referencing an empty set can be useful in RPSL.
    >
    > I'm not sure whether Nick meant this as a single exception,
    > or rather as an example of a category of useful empty sets.

    One empty set is the same as any other empty set. We only need one
    clearly defined and easily recognisable empty set and we have that,
    AS-NULL. If I create an empty set, AS-WALKER it doesn't do anything
    that AS-NULL can't do. But AS-WALKER isn't instantly recognisable as
    an empty set. You have to query it to see that. If we have 100 empty
    sets in the database, including AS-NULL, that are all being used for
    valid reasons, 99 of them are redundant, duplicated objects and should
    be deleted...unless someone can tell me the value of a duplicated
    empty set.

    cheers
    denis
    co-chair DB-WG

    >
    > I can well imagine that most "operationally empty objects"
    > (as Denis put it) are either useless or troublesome.
    >
    > As Nick says, "Careful with this."
    >
    > Niall
    >
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