[db-wg] 2022-01 New Version Policy Proposal (Personal Data in the RIPE Database)

Hi Ronald

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 at 09:46, Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg
<db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> In message <579e6eed-f28e-bf83-f111-a69b2be9a04d at ripe.net>,
> Angela Dall'Ara <adallara at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> >RIPE policy proposal 2022-01, "Personal Data in the RIPE Database" is
> >now available for discussion again.
> >
> >The goal of this proposal is to allow the publication of verified
> >Personal Data in the RIPE Database only when they are justified by its
> >purpose.
>
>
> I object to the policy proposal for reasons that I have laid out at some
> length on the Anti-Abuse Working Group's mailing list.

If you want to 'justify' publishing the home addresses of natural
persons in this open, public database then propose a change to the
purposes of the database to argue a case for doing so.

>
> Not that it matters.  I'm sure that neither my vote nor those of the other
> folks who have also expressed reservations about this proposal won't count,
> and that the backers of this misguided proposal will declare consensus
> come hell or high water anyway.
>
> Nobody is asking for this, and nobody is demaning that RIPE hide valuable
> WHOIS data that has always been visible since the beginning of time,
> except for a couple of people who are harboring misplaced fetishes for
> privacy over transparency.  Their time would be better invested in
> solving actual problems, rather than imagined ones.

Let me quote some of the points from your rants on the Anti Abuse mailing list:
"This prompts a rather obvious question:  Do there exist any policies,
rules, or regulations which would prevent a natural person from using any
one of the several techniques I have listed above to obfsucate their
actual physical location when they generate their RIPE organization
WHOIS record?  And more to the point, is it true or false that, as I have
previously asserted, any member can put literally any inaccurate garbage
they want into their public-facing RIPE WHOIS records with no consequence
whatsoever?"

So you are supporting various means "to obfuscate their actual
physical location" and then in the very next sentence complaining
about "inaccurate garbage" in the database. Your own arguments are
contradictory.

"Shoulda natural-person who actually WANTS to be directly contacted
for any and all issues relating to their RIPE number resources have
that opportunity closed out"

There are contacts referenced in the database that allow contact "for
any and all issues relating to their RIPE number resources". I doubt
any member would like Ronald to visit them at their home to rant on
their doorstep.

>
> As I have said on the Anti-Abuse Working Group's mailing list, any
> member concerned about concealing their mailing address either (a) is
> up to no good or else (b) may easily and cheaply achieve the desired
> goal FOR THEMSELVES by renting a cheap P.O. box.

or (c) enter false data into an unverified, unchecked, mandatory field
they don't want to fill in.

(Any member who is
> unable to locate a supplier of cheap rental P.O. boxes local to them
> is probably too incompetent to qualify as a RIPE member anyway.)

By making this unverified, unchecked field optional the less
incompetent members can choose to enter a correct address or no
address instead of false data, as recommended by the RIPE Database
Task Force.

cheers
denis
proposal author


>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
>
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