[db-wg] 2022-01 Resource holders identity

Hi Denis,

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 5:12 PM denis walker <ripedenis at gmail.com> wrote:

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> That might be interesting to know but unless the RIPE NCC's internal
> database has a flag to indicate a natural person they would have the
> same problem.

I expect they do. Or a reasonable proxy, like whether they validated
that the member exists via a company registry or a registry of natural
people.

> But the numbers are not the real question. Anyone can
> see by flicking through the split file there is a 'significant' number
> of objects with full name and address details of people. And if one of
> them is you it is very significant. We also know there are people who
> won't become a resource holder or even get an assignment because of
> the risk of their personal details being entered into the RIPE
> Database. So we always come back to the fundamental question, for what
> purpose do we publish the name and address of a natural person who is
> a resource holder or who has an assignment from an LIR?
>
> We can also differentiate here between publishing the details and
> storing the details not for public access. If and when we establish
> the purpose of this information we can look at technical solutions. We
> should also keep in mind that this information is completely separate
> from being able to contact the operator of a network. So we are trying
> to establish why anyone needs to know who is responsible, accountable,
> liable for a block of IP addresses...and who needs to know that.
> Technical solutions may address how they can access this information.

I think we should try to establish if the proportion of natural people
that are LIRs is so low that any policy will always be handling corner
cases. If that is the case, it might be better to establish policy
objectives and just delegate the specific implementation to the RIPE
NCC.

Kind regards,

Leo