[db-wg] Fwd: Multi tenancy in a LIR?

Hi Hank,

I think you are better off asking the RIPE NCC support, (ncc at ripe.net or
lir-help at ripe.net if you are already a member).
The DB-WG is not the support mailing list, but I have answered some of your
questions below.

> The question is whether to establish their own LIR or use the existing
parent LIR.

The parent org can of course sponsor an ASN and/or PI (Provider
Independent) resources for the subsidiary, just like any other LIR.
However if the subsidiary wants to hold PA resources, they need to be an
LIR.
But there is nothing preventing the parent org from holding the
resources and then just delegating them to the subsidiary.

> Your suggestion of using a different MNTNER is intriguing, but wouldn't
at some point the parent LIR have to know the password?

No, I think I should clarify that unless you have the default maintainer
sync option enabled in the LIR portal, the DB and LIR portal are completely
separate.

- Cynthia


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:27 AM Hank Nussbacher via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net>
wrote:

> On 19/11/2020 21:41, denis walker via db-wg wrote:
>
> Good questions.
>
> I'll try to clarify.
>
> The parent organization has attained their ASN and ip-nets from RIPE NCC
> over the past 10 years.
> The sub-organization is planning on buying IP nets via the IP
> bourse/exchange and purchase multihoming at IXPs and thereby qualify for
> their own ASN from RIPE NCC.
> The question is whether to establish their own LIR or use the existing
> parent LIR.
> You state "...LIR-PARTITIONED or ALLOCATED-BY-LIR. The suborganisations
> can separately manage their resources."
> When I examined user privs in the LIR portal I saw there is admin or
> regular - each of which give total control to any resource listed under the
> LIR.
> Your suggestion of using a different MNTNER is intriguing, but wouldn't at
> some point the parent LIR have to know the password?
>
> Thanks,
> Hank
>
>
>
> Hi Hank
>
> Your scenario is not clear. When you say "each has their own
> resources", how did they get those resources? Were they separate LIRs
> that have received allocations, have there been mergers, were they all
> allocated to the parent organisation's LIR and distributed to sub
> organisations? Or do you mean they each want to have their own
> resources?
>
> As far as the database is concerned, address space resources allocated
> to the parent organisation's LIR can be distributed to sub
> organisations as LIR-PARTITIONED or ALLOCATED-BY-LIR. The sub
> organisations can separately manage their resources. If you want
> exclusive management control by the sub organisations you can set the
> MNTNER attributes accordingly. But ultimately they are still the
> parent organisations resources. They could be reclaimed by the parent
> organisation. The organisation reference in the allocations will
> always be the parent organisation that was allocated the resources by
> the RIPE NCC. That cannot be changed.
>
> cheers
> denis
> co-chair DB-WG
>
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 16:28, Hank Nussbacher via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net> <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> Can a LIR account handle multi-tenancy?
>
>
> What if you had a parent organization and a few sub-organizations and each has their own resources (ASN + inetnum) that they wish to manage independently (objects, RPKI, etc) without the other sub-organizations of parent organization able to affect the resources.
>
> Is that at all possible or is the only solution to create a new LIR account?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hank
> Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer
>
>
>
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