[db-wg] Getting 'responsible organization' out of RDAP

Dear Brian,

Getting the ORG object itself looks like to NOT be possible with the
current RIPE NCC implementation. Roles can be fetches with RDAP.
Fx https://rdap.db.ripe.net/entity/AR17761-RIPE

Using the github repo as reference[0] I think you will need to look for
other ways instead of RDAP for fetching org info from the RIPE NCC database.

If you can do with ONLY fetching roles. It is possible with RDAP.

[0]:
https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/whois/blob/master/whois-api/src/main/java/net/ripe/db/whois/api/rdap/RdapObjectMapper.java

Christoffer Hansen
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On 20-03-2018 20:54, Brian Rak wrote:
> Is this happening in public somewhere I can follow?
> 
> Is there any way I can actually get the org name out of RDAP right now?
> 
> I tried some entity queries as well, but they don't seem to be
> implemented: https://rdap.db.ripe.net/entity/LINX-PEER-LON1
> https://rdap.db.ripe.net/entity/UK-LINX-971201
> 
> 
> On 3/20/2018 12:28 PM, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> There are known differences between the RIR implementations of RDAP.
>> In some cases we will need to make extended RDAP specifications, e.g.
>> a resource can have multiple countries in the RIPE region. The RIRs
>> are working together to make an inventory of these differences, and
>> based on that we will plan future work.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Tim Bruijnzeels
>>
>> Assistant Manager Software Engineering
>> RIPE NCC
>>
>>
>>> On 20 Mar 2018, at 16:02, Christoffer Hansen via db-wg
>>> <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the github repo[0] they have a small snippet about it.
>>>
>>> "An org: reference from an inetnum,inet6num,autnum resource is not
>>> included in the query response.
>>> By contrast, ARIN returns the org reference as a "registrant" entity."
>>>
>>> As I understand it. RIPE NCC has done an active choice in NOT doing the
>>> RDAP implementation similar to ARIN.
>>>
>>> [0]:
>>> https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/whois/blob/master/README.RDAP.md#organisation-entity-is-not-returned-in-ip-or-autnum-query-responses
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20-03-2018 15:48, Brian Rak via db-wg wrote:
>>>> I've been attempting to use RDAP to verify our customer's IP
>>>> information, however I'm running into some difficulties due to
>>>> differences between ARIN's implementation and RIPE's.
>>>>
>>>> For example, I'm trying to get the organization name for a particular
>>>> IP.  On ARIN, this is easy.  I look through the provided vcards for one
>>>> where the kind is 'org', and that gives me the information about the
>>>> organization. (ex: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/66.55.158.27 )
>>>>
>>>> With RIPE's RDAP implementation, this data does not seem to be readily
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> For example, if I look at https://rdap.db.ripe.net/ip/195.66.225.160
>>>> I'd
>>>> expect to find the string 'London Internet Exchange Ltd.' somewhere
>>>> within the response.
>>>>
>>>> If I look at the web UI:
>>>> https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/query?searchtext=195.66.225.160#resultsSection
>>>>
>>>> , this information is easily available.
>>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to expand the RDAP results to include organization
>>>> information?  This seems like it would just be another vcard entry, so
>>>> there really shouldn't be any backwards compatibility issues.
>>>>
>>>> Apologies if this isn't the correct list, I can't really find any
>>>> information about RDAP on RIPE's website.
>>>>
>>>>
> 

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