[db-wg] NWI-7 proposal for fixing "abuse-c:" problems

Hi Gert

I do listen to your one voice Gert. Now with Sebastian at least we have two voices. Unfortunately, the way this community works that is probably the only consensus we will get to move forward. It is by no means representative, but it is a consensus.
cheers
denis
co-chair DB-WG

      From: Gert Doering via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net>
 To: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian at karotte.org> 
Cc: db-wg at ripe.net
 Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017, 13:59
 Subject: Re: [db-wg] NWI-7 proposal for fixing "abuse-c:" problems
   
Hi,

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:47:37AM +0200, Sebastian Wiesinger via db-wg wrote:
> Denis wrote:
> > There is also a question over the double indirection to get to the
> > abuse contact information, ie resource object -> ORGANISATION object
> > -> ROLE object. 

I'm not sure how many times I've stated this in the past: this double
indirection looks great in computer science theory, but it annoys real
people enough to just not jump through these hoops - so "nothing is
done, because it is too annoying".

I'm among this group.  If I have to create (and maintain) an extra 
organization: object just to be able to point a more-specific inetnum
to a different abuse-c: (or just add a more-specific abuse-mailbox:)
- then I'm just not going to do it.

Not sure what's so hard in *listening*, and then coming up with a 
solution that takes the statements said into account, not "make a 
beautiful database out of it" - to make this work, it needs to be easy
on people that *do* the work, not pretty on the back side.


[..]
> I think it is a show stopper. You have to understand the logic and
> implement the tools. Many LIRs will shy away from that. Instead just
> adding an "abuse-c:" field to an object is easily understandable.

This!

> To sum it up, I don't think that this approach will make it easier to
> add and maintain abuse information in the database and as such will
> not improve the goal of having accurate and up-to-date abuse contact
> information. I would not support the proposal in this form.

And this!

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