[db-wg] [anti-abuse-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01

Hi Gert,

I agree with you that the implementation of abuse-c was 'poor'.

On 3/10/16 1:57 AM, Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 11:36:48PM +0100, Horváth Ágoston János wrote:
>> It's not enough to state "let's add abuse-c here and here and here".
>> Also think about how one is supposed to return the abuse contact
>> afterwards. It should be algorithmically feasible to fetch the abuse
>> contact from the RIPE DB. Should inet(6)num take precedence? Should
>> the role object? or the organisation? or maybe a route? Or a
>> combination of these, with their parents involved?
> This is why I've detailed a possible and very well-defined search order
> in my proposal.
>
>> And one more thing. As far as data quality goes, users are not known
>> to keep their data up to date (sorry for the few exceptions - you're
>> not the rule). Then you will have to start to figure out which abuse-c
>> is outdated and which isn't; which one is still relevant and which is
>> not. That's NOT a database, that's a job for google.
> So, why is "require indirection via a organisation: and role: object"
> going to help with stale data?
>
> Except by making it so complicated that nobody is willingly going to
> use it to document abuse-handling exception for more specific subnets
> - in which case you've succeeded...
abuse-c should have been implemented just like admin-c and tech-c is, as 
an attribute to the resource (inet(6)num and aut-num) objects.

It is easier for the LIR to have it in one place only, but you need to 
register an organisation and role object for each customer... if you 
want them to handle the abuse themselves. or if you have different 
departments handling abuse for different (parts of your) resources.

Maybe we should talk about changing the implementation of abuse-c such 
that you can not register a resource (allocation or assignment) unless 
you use the mandatory abuse-c (person or role) object, just as you do 
with admin-c and tech-c today.
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster
regards,
elvis