[db-wg] [anti-abuse-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01

>>>> I would like abuse-c: much more if it were changed in two ways:
>>>>
>>>>   - permit abuse-c: in inet(6)num: objects
>>>>   - permit abuse-c: to point to a normal person: object, not only role:
>>>
>>> This boils down to what I thought would have been the better
>>> implementation all along.
>
> Better is a relative word. It would be better to improve the
> operational usability and solve the problems you have without breaking
> the design.
>
> I have worked on the design, development and support of this database
> for 15 years. I know it inside out. I know what problems it has. I
> have seen the mistakes both new and old users have made. I have seen
> the crazy things users have done because the database semantics,
> syntax, business rules allowed it.

Frankly, I fail to see how that is that relevant to the above
suggestion.

> If you make the changes you are asking for I guarantee within 2 or 3
> years people will be saying abuse-c is a failure, lets invent
> something new to fix the mess.

What sort of mess?  Can you please be a bit more explicit?

> The trouble with these technical mailing lists is it is the same very
> very small number of people out of the 12k members and other
> interested parties who keep pushing the same ideas to fix your
> problems regardless of the consequences. As long as it works OK for
> you, everything must be fine. None of you are willing to think out of
> the box. I proposed some options for fixing these problems 2 years ago
> on RIPE Labs. I am not saying they are the best solutions, but no one
> has even commented on them in 2 years.
>
> This is not an open, bottom up process. This is a cartel of old timers
> who make all the decisions so they get their own way. This needs to be
> fixed.

"Thanks" for the ad hominem.  Instead of discussing the merits of the
above suggestion in a reasoned manner, I get told that I'm part of an
old-mans-club or worse.  I may be old, but that was nevertheless
uncalled for, IMHO.

Best regards,

- Håvard