[db-wg] [anti-abuse-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:21:04AM +0100, denis wrote:
> OK lets cut to the bottom line. Does anyone NOT agree with these points:
> 
> -Internet abuse (in it's various forms) is considered both a nuisance 
> and a danger by the public
> -Politicians will jump onto any band wagon that has popular public 
> support and enhances their careers
> -Responsible internet resource management includes receiving and 
> handling abuse complaints related to the networks you manage

All totally true.

The relevant question for the PDP is "does 2016-01 help achieve the goal of
better combatting Internet abuse"?

[..]
> I don't know why we are making the policy side so complicated. The 
> principle is simple. If you manage IP addresses in the public domain, 
> from where abuse can be generated, responsible management requires you 
> to provide abuse contact details!!!

Will making "providing a mail address in a specific field" mandatory for
people the RIPE NCC doesn't currently have a contract with (and that do
not particularily frequently show up on the "evil boys list") help 
achieve your goals?  Why?

You should know that I'm quite active in working to work against network
abuse, but at the same time, I'm not willing to accept every potential
measure of the anti-spam community as "THIS MUST BE DONE! NOW!".

As in all policy decisions, every change needs to answer the questions 
"is we are changing *effective* in reaching the goal?", "what are the 
side effects?" and "are there other ways towards the common goal?"
(and potentially "is the goal actually something the community agrees
upon").

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
-- 
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

SpaceNet AG                        Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard
Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14          Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
D-80807 Muenchen                   HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)
Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444           USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 811 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: </ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/attachments/20160304/a22bf579/attachment.sig>