[db-wg] Control over associating objects for number blocks

Andrea, 

Thank you for your comments. This feedback is interesting. To clarify, it would seem that RIPE NCC should not be intervening which the current process seems to encourage. As you stated “RIPE NCC has neither the mandate nor the resources to do this” This would indicate that providing better self-service capabilities for legacy number block holders would reduce the burden placed upon RIPE NCC while improving the ability for legacy holders to control and manage their records. This sounds like it would benefit all parties involved. 

Thanks,
Billy

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Andrea Cima <andrea at ripe.net> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> Please let me try to clarify a few points related to this thread.
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> There is currently a reclaim functionality in place for more specific INETNUM, DOMAIN and ROUTE objects, for address space that has been issued by the RIPE NCC. Here, there is a clear hierarchy in place: the LIR has an IP block with the status "allocated pa" and is the holder of the resources. The End User receives an IP block with the status "assigned pa” which must be returned when the services provided by the LIR are terminated (ripe-649). This proposal would therefore only affect legacy resources.
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> However, legacy IP addresses do not follow the same hierarchy as IP address space that was issued by the RIPE NCC. There is no policy mandating that address space be returned when services are terminated. Furthermore, it is not possible to know what agreements have been made over the years between the maintainers of parent and child objects.
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> We would like to highlight that such an implementation would mean interfering between legacy resource holders, by taking the following position: the organisation maintaining the parent object is the rightful holder of the IP block. This would ignore any potential agreements made over the years between the two parties.
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> It was suggested that the RIPE NCC could intervene and determine who the legitimate holder is where disputes arise. However, the RIPE NCC has neither the mandate nor the resources to do this, as outlined in our impact analysis for the policy proposal 2012-07, “RIPE NCC Services to Legacy Internet Holders": "When the situation presents itself where there are multiple layers of legacy resources distribution, it is the responsibility of the parties involved to find an agreement on which party is the legitimate holder of the legacy resource".
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> I hope this clarifies.
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> Andrea Cima
> RIPE NCC
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