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Den 2015-05-20 18:58, Piotr Strzyzewski skrev:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:19:55PM +0200, Bengt Gördén wrote:
>
> Dear Bengt
>
>> Den 2015-05-19 14:44, Piotr Strzyzewski skrev:
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:45:12PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber wrote:
>>>> Piotr Strzyzewski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 05:42:59PM +0200, Daniel Suchy wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>   From my point of view, there was no formal proposal to discuss. Just an
>>>>> informal question by Eric. It is even unclear which objects are expected
>>>>> to be visible.
>>>> IIRC there were a couple of quite informal discussions about this Q,
>>>> some of them maybe even in the hallways :-)
>>> I have to admit that I deliberately not mentioned them, since they were
>>> (as you wrote) informal. I do believe, that interested parties should
>>> move those informal discussions to this mailing list.
>> I distinctly remember that we were asked if we wanted to have the deleted
>> objects viewable. In fact it was at RIPE 66 in Dublin. I'd like to think
>> that this is formal enough to proceed to next level.
>>
>> Slide 14.
>> https://ripe66.ripe.net/presentations/186-DB_Update-66.pdf
>>
>> 13m30s in
>> https://ripe66.ripe.net/archives/video/1174/
>>
>> I asked about it after RIPE 67.
>> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2013-November/004193.html
> And the answer was:
>
> "There was no discussion or agreement on taking this any further at RIPE
> 67 or since on the mailing list. If the community would like us to
> provide this service, we can add this to our feature list for a future
> release of the RIPE Database software."
>
> Since there was almost lack of discussion, my personal proposal is to
> first ask NCC legal department for legal comment about deleted objects
> being viewable. I would suggest limiting the list of possible objects to
> the same for which DB provides --show-version and --list-versions
> nowadays.

Lack of discussion is not a no. It's just lack of discussion. I said to 
Denis at RIPE 66 that I'd like to see this. I'm patient so I waited to 
next meeting. Nothing from RIPE NCC. So I asked on the mailing list and 
got the answer above. Which is not really an answer on the question that 
was put forward to us.

But we can take it again. Here's the question from the presentation:

"No deleted objects shown, should we show them?"

My answer is "yes". I want this. Anyone else?


> Is it ok with you and the rest of the WG?

Well. I'm not sure why we should bring in the NCC legal department. It's 
just a database with objects.


/bengan

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Bengt Gördén
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