FW: FW: FW: [db-wg] Proposal to deprecate CRYPT-PW authorisation in the RIPE Database

Hi!

If to be seriously, I'm showing until weak schemes will be exist, people
(even so serious) *WILL* use it. Education will *NOT* helps to solve the
problem (so, try ;) ).

I agree better is set off ANY password authorization. We can do it at
least step-by-step, but leave it alone is the worst thing we can do.

Potapov Vladislav wrote:
> Hi!
> I don't understand WHAT IT'S PROVES? Or you decided to say something
> only to be shown?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: db-wg-admin at ripe.net [mailto:db-wg-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of
> Max Tulyev
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:16 PM
> To: db-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: FW: FW: [db-wg] Proposal to deprecate CRYPT-PW
> authorisation in the RIPE Database
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Come on, begin your education career from your FSB (ex-KGB if somebody
> don't know) colleagues:
>
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>
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> person:         Alexander Holushco
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> phone:          +7 495 2244441
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> fax-no:         +7 495 2244441
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> As we can see - there is *NO* mntner at all at *-c: objects! ;-)
>
> Potapov Vladislav wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert at space.net]
>>> Changing from CRYPT-PW to MD5-PW doesn't incur any
>>> operational changes, and doesn't require key management and 
>>> crypto of any sort, but *will* improve security.
>>>     
>>>       
>> No "operational changes"? Let's look at the plan to get an image that 
>> it's not so "problemless". I don't speak about RIPE resources which 
>> should support this change. About security: there was several 
>> opponents of your view already. I'm adding myself to them.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert at space.net]
>>> Security issues in the IRR DB impact all of us (like "fake objects,
>>> use that to leverage a routing attack").
>>>     
>>>       
>> Let's not say fairy tales about that. I have asked about REAL LIFE 
>> problems with the scheme. Nobody has answered. As for security 
>> issues... I think the better way to do this things is to educate 
>> people, convince them to have better way of security. Up to now it is 
>> only "small group words" and 3500 usages...
>>
>> I'm against the proposal.
>>
>> Vladislav Potapov
>> Ru.iiat
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
>   


-- 
WBR,
Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO)