AW: [db-wg] Draft Minutes of the RIPE 52 DB-WG meeting

Hello Titley,

i am a little bit surprised about the wording concerning route objects in
the ripe database:


F. Modify checks for creation of route: (input from Routing-WG)

	The checks at the moment are fully compliant with the RFCs so we should
perhaps change
	the RFCs. It was suggested that maybe we should be looking at the model
proposed for
	the PKI to allow the overall holder of a block of address space to allow
objects to be
	created, but that the onus finally rests on the holder of the AS number
object.
	It was agreed to do nothing and wait for the PKI model to be more fully
developed.



Is i started this discussion i got a lot of feedback and as i remember at
least the owner
of the inet-object should be able to delete unwanted route-objects. I got no
argument
against this proposal. There were diffrent views of the question who should
be able
to create such an object but not about the fact the the inet-object owner
should be
able to delete such objects.

The current situation gives an owner of an as with a route-object more power
than the
owner of this inet-object itself. It can also prevent to add a NEW route
object. If you
have a large block you can add a route object for a more specific network as
a workaround.
This leads to more routes announced to the routing table than necessary. But
you are lost
with a /24 as many dont accept /25 announcements.

Even the idea to wait for the pki model doesnt change anything. For the
removal of an
route object i need a response from the holder of the AS object. What
happens if he
doensnt respond ?
-> even the new PKI model doesnt help the inte-object owner and will not
change the situation.

Do you really want people to send faxes to ripe for route object removal?
This is a stupid idea
and doesnt scale.

We had and have issues with that and sometimes -especially in large
companies- it can
take days, weeks or months until somebody responds.


I would like to hear some technical reasons why we cant change the current
situation. I dont
see them :-(



Winfried

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