[db-wg] abuse-c

  Hi John!

>Menno Pieters (Stelvio) wrote:
>> TI is an organisation that verifies the information, so that it can be 
>> *trusted*. For ordinary users it may be to hard to understand this and 
>> how to make sure it all correct. For IRT among eachother it may be 
>> important.
>
>But all that going via the TI route gives you is a "mnt-by: TI" entry in 
>your object.

  Yes - what is wrong with that?

>  There are other non-RIPE ways for teams to infer how much 
>trust they should give to another team,

  Correct.

>and overloading mnt-by seems undesirable.

  Maybe, but I don't see what the downside is in using a mechanism which
  is there, instead of inventing something new. Actually it was - maybe -
  blue-eyed to invent a new object type. Inventing a new attribute
  _without a proper syntax and semantic to go with it_ is probably not too
  much better...

>Some useful changes would be renaming the IRT object to something more 
>general, like Abuse (?) object

  If we can reach consensus that this should be the name I expect the NCC
  to make the necessary modifications to the implementation. The problem
  (which was discussed in various environments more than once!) is that
  different entities have a different interpretation of the word "abuse".

>and for it to be returned by default when querying an IP (or AS).

  I keep hearing that again and again (and from the incident/abuse point
  of view I agree!), so I'll put it onto the DB-WG.

  Maybe others can try to put it onto other WGs' agendas, as this is a
  pretty big change to the behaviour of the whois server.

>The seperation into an easily maintainable object which includes stuff 
>in addition to email address (like postal address, pgp and phone) are 
>useful enhancements to "trouble:".
>
>Cheers
>John

  Wilfried.