<div><div dir="auto">The MOU is published here <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Together with other MOUs <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Alexander<br> <br> It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list<br> <br> I've no idea what if any value it brings.<br> <br> Olivier might be able to enlighten us.<br> <br> Regards<br> <br> Michele<br> <br> <br> --<br> Mr Michele Neylon<br> Blacknight Solutions<br> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br> <a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br> <a href="http://blacknight.blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<br> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<br> Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br> Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br> -------------------------------<br> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br> On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" <<a href="mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:isavnin@gmail.com" target="_blank">isavnin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> Congratulations!<br> <br> Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO.<br> I have really strange feeling about it.<br> Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC?<br> Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?<br> <br> And there are more questions:<br> What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations?<br> Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi?<br> How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?<br> <br> And even more, really important:<br> How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs?<br> I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry.<br> NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all.<br> (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).<br> <br> So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs.<br> I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.<br> <br> In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".<br> <br> There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system.<br> Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.<br> <br> Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made.<br> Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).<br> <br> Kind regards,<br> Alexander Isavnin<br> <br> Sent via RIPE Forum -- <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum</a><br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"> -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | <a href="mailto:hph@oslo.net">hph@oslo.net</a> | <a href="http://hph.oslo.net">http://hph.oslo.net</a> </div>