<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear all, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I want to quickly revisit a comment made by Michele, who mentioned that many other working groups have a more steady flow of emails (although we seem to be doing a pretty good job of late) because they are working on specific projects. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had a look on the RIPE website and found the following description of the workgroup: The working group discusses the following: <ol><li>The working group will primarily discuss outreach from the traditional RIPE community to everyone else, especially governments, regulators and NGOs, all of whom we are trying to bring into our community. Topics are not to duplicate issues discussed in <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg" class="">other working groups</a>. This working group should complement the other working groups and help participants engage in appropriate work.</li><li>The RIPE NCC's current outreach activities will be reported, and the RIPE NCC will seek advice and guidance on future activities. This is to make the discussions more focused - currently the only forum for these discussions is the <a href="http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list">ripe-list</a> mailing list.</li><li>The working group will develop and clarify the RIPE community's position on issues that are of relevance to the public sector or on which a community position has been sought.</li><li>The working group will be responsible for maintenance of the <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-464" class="">RIPE Document produced by the Enhanced Cooperation Task Force</a>, describing the RIPE community, existing policy development processes and outreach programs. The working group explicitly does not have change control over the <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies" class="">RIPE Policy Development Process</a> (PDP) itself.</li></ol> The working group is also an important channel through which the RIPE community can communicate with others in the Information Society. The Chairs are not to become special Ambassadors for RIPE. Their role is the same as other RIPE Working Group chairs, which implies they of course could be asked now and then what the status of the working group is. The process by which RIPE and RIPE NCC respectively coordinate with other bodies (such as the <a href="http://www.nro.net/" target="_blank">NRO</a>) and communicate (mostly via RIPE NCC or the chair of RIPE) is not changed by creation and existence of this working group. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I was wondering how we are working on issues 1,3, & 4? Perhaps people with a longer history in the group could elaborate so we can discuss how to move forward, and perhaps address some of the concerns raised by Michele? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">best, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:cooperation-wg-request@ripe.net" target="_blank">cooperation-wg-request@ripe.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send cooperation-wg mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:cooperation-wg@ripe.net">cooperation-wg@ripe.net</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:cooperation-wg-request@ripe.net">cooperation-wg-request@ripe.net</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:cooperation-wg-owner@ripe.net">cooperation-wg-owner@ripe.net</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cooperation-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [BMI-SPAM-Verdacht] Re: cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16 (Michael Oghia) 2. Re: cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16 (Patrik =?utf-8?b?RsOkbHRzdHLDtm0=?=) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:44:21 +0300 From: Michael Oghia <<a href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com">mike.oghia@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:Constanze.Buerger@bmi.bund.de">Constanze.Buerger@bmi.bund.de</a> Cc: Cooperation WG <<a href="mailto:cooperation-wg@ripe.net">cooperation-wg@ripe.net</a>>, Gordon Lennox <<a href="mailto:gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com">gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] [BMI-SPAM-Verdacht] Re: cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16 Message-ID: <CAMCMt7oat=fWQxn_kOub6cbdq1Mu_os172J3nWiHHb-d_=<a href="mailto:oVxA@mail.gmail.com">oVxA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you for sharing this Constanze! Indeed, the more we work together, the more we will accomplish things. I am sure of that. Collaboration is how we built the Internet, and and I firmly believe collaboration and openness is how we will continue to ensure it evolves in a way that is advantageous and beneficial to humanity. -Michael On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:39 PM, <<a href="mailto:Constanze.Buerger@bmi.bund.de">Constanze.Buerger@bmi.bund.de</a>> wrote: > We should go on and make them aware from what we learned: > > For all politicians there is the aim to bring in content ? we have the > process. J > > > > For you interest our bp from the last 6 months: > > New role of public administration and governments > > > > The world of Internet is growing. In this global Internet world not only > ISPs are the legitimate users and stakeholders but also citizens at home > with upcoming smart home solutions, companies with industry 4.0 solutions, > worldwide located enterprises or governments and public administrations. > The deployment of IPv6 is the main issue to keep the internet running and > we have to ensure requirements of all new stakeholders into account. About > this communication way and the role of public administration in the > community I told you last year. > > But now we furthermore see a change in hierarchic organizations as well. > > The work of multistakeholder groups is based on maillinglists. These are > driven by events , have topics for specialists and need fast decisions. In > hierarchical organizations we can join these lists on working level, but we > have to use the decissionmaking process to continue. And this is a problem > because this structure is to slow to work with multistakeholder groups. > > So we need more longterm strategies on high levels and concrete concepts > and the mandate to bring in decissions on working levels . > > . To reflect more security, technical, organizational, economic, social > and political constraints and to ensure the internet rules, we have to > figure out a new ?Thinking? and new ?Cooperation Forms?. > > Regards > > Constanze > > > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* cooperation-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net">cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] *Im > Auftrag von *Michael Oghia > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 16:12 > *An:* Gordon Lennox > *Cc:* Cooperation WG > *Betreff:* [BMI-SPAM-Verdacht] Re: [cooperation-wg] cooperation-wg > Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16 > > > > I completely agree with you Gordon, good points. > > > > My strategy that I've really learned from others is to positively impact > decisions through relationship building. I find it an effective one, and > once a decision maker understands that the community's intentions are > positive (or at least non-threatening), then perhaps they are more keen to > listen. With that said, DiploFoundation, for instance, does a lot of work > with diplomats and a lot of training with government. > > > > In the end I think it's important to remember that, regardless of politics > and power, the people making decisions -- the politicians, bureaucrats, > etc. -- are still people. Just people. > > > -Michael > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Gordon Lennox <<a href="mailto:gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com">gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com</a>> > wrote: > > I agree. > > One of the nice things about this community is that you ask a question and > you get a response. > > But when it comes to governments, both politicians and officials, it is > not always about a lack of understanding. It can be about a very strong > disagreement about values. > > I would add though that often it is not even just about ?governments?. > Even in a government from a particular culture and of a certain flavour > there can be very strong internal / inter-departmental disagreements. And > it is not always the ?good guys? who have clue. > > Gordon > > > > > On 23 Jun 2016, at 15:37, Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com">julf@julf.com</a>> wrote: > > > > The tricky ones are the ones where the views of the community > > and the views of (some) governments are in conflict, and > > activism, rather than education, is what is needed. In that > > case we need to be very clear about who represents whom. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A number of us wrote various pieces of the report, or the background reports that is the foundation of the main report. And you will see presentations on the various pieces here and there the next year I guess. No.33 on fragmentation due to interest of market economy forces <<a href="http://ourinternet.org/research/market-driven-challenges-open-internet-standards" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ourinternet.org/research/market-driven-challenges-open-internet-standards</a>> I presented Tuesday this week in Slovenia at their Go6/SovenianNOG meeting, and you can find the video recording here: <<a href="https://video.arnes.si/portal/asset.zul?id=d1KGQcgHUhRaGXngplfQhYKn" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://video.arnes.si/portal/asset.zul?id=d1KGQcgHUhRaGXngplfQhYKn</a>> Patrik -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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