[cooperation-wg] IS3C consultation on an alternative narrative to deploy Internet standards

Hi Wout,

I'm concerned about this approach to networking security for a numbers 
of reasons.

1. Mixing unrelated technologies

RPKI and DNSSEC are fundamentally different technologies with different 
applications in the networking stack. I don't think it's productive to 
mix the two together in the same discussion space because their aims and 
outcomes are significantly different.

2. It's unclear what is being proposed

DNSSEC can be deployed at a resolver level, or at a domain level or at 
the registrars.  The use cases for each of these scenarios vary widely.

At the domain level, as Michele mentioned, DNSSEC is a notoriously 
brittle and complex protocol and while it may be relevant and 
appropriate for institutions or large enterprises, it's not really 
appropriate for smaller organisations or individuals which comprise the 
majority of registered domains.

Further up the chain at registrars and registries, it's also complex, as 
the recent .ru outage showed. Smaller registrars may easily end up 
causing more damage than they secure, and there would be good arguments 
for DNSSEC not to be a mandatory component of registrar service.

RPKI can be "deployed" as either creating ROA objects, or else by 
implementing RPKI policy at the networking level using validators and 
routing policies. Again, these are two entirely different things with 
different security goals and outcomes, but there is no clear indication 
of what the IS3C consultation is actually promoting.

Overall, RPKI can be helpful to address certain styles of accidental 
network configuration, but it is not a technology which can be used to 
protect against dedicated security threat actors.

3. Over-focusing on individual security elements

Security management is a wide-ranging process-oriented mechanism rather 
than an outcome of applying specific security-related technology 
components.  There would be no reason not to include assessment of RPKI 
or DNSSEC as part of a more general information security management 
assessment assessment process, but in the scale of things, they are 
individual components of a larger security management whole, and 
operationally they are by no means among the more important components 
for most organisations.

4. Unclear what the focus outcome is intended to be

There isn't a clear problem statement or any indication about why it's 
more important to prioritise RPKI and DNSSEC over other discrete 
technology building blocks. For example, in terms of routing security, 
the MANRS programs provide a useful and well accepted set of compliance 
items, of which RPKI is one of the optional components, i.e. not even 
mandatory (disclosure: I am a MANRS SC member, but this email reflects 
my personal opinions).

The thing that will help the Internet's overall security is adherence to 
Internet good practice documents, and at the next level, adoption and 
compliance with general security management frameworks (there are plenty 
of these). Hyper-focus on individual line items will distract attention 
away from these aims and the outcome of focusing on individual security 
items in the way that this consultation suggests is likely to come at 
the cost of the whole.

Nick

Wout de Natris wrote on 11/03/2024 10:00:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> IGF DC IS3C invites you to participate in the consultation on 
> positively enhancing the deployment of two Internet standards: DNSSEC 
> and RPKI. You are invited to answer either of these questions: Do the 
> arguments used to favor a positive decision, convince you to order 
> deployment within your organisation or from your service provider? / 
> Do they assist you to convince decision takers in your organisation to 
> invest in security by design? You are invited to share your views and 
> arguments with IS3C’s expert team and have been granted commenting 
> rights in this document to do so. The consultation runs from 11 March 
> to 12PM UTC, Friday 5 April 2024. Your contribution will be taken into 
> consideration when finalising the text before publication this spring. 
> Here is the link to the Google Doc:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> We hope to receive your views so we can present the most convincing 
> arguments to deploy DNSSEC, RPKI and all other security-related 
> Internet standards and ICT best practices. (FYI, this project us 
> sponsored by ICANN and RIPE NCC.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Wout de Natris
>
> IS3C: Making the Internet more secure and safer
>
>
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