[cooperation-wg] Get a recap of last week's discussion on the Digital Services Act

Dear Suzanne,

Thanks for bringing this together. I missed this RIPE event but have participated at similar outreach events with other organisations.

I find it being somewhat depressing that various things are discussed related to (for example) "what platforms should do with, and what their responsibility is in relation with, illegal content". People write long texts about this, including long presentations from the responsible party at COM.

The point I have trouble with is that what we SHOULD discuss is to start with for example:

- What is "platform"
- What is "illegal" (and who makes the decision)

When I at the last meeting with COM brought this up I got the response that "what is illegal is easy, it is decided by the law".

This is an indication to me that the full problem is not understood. When you have a transaction that include at multiple jurisdictions, what is illegal is not that easy to say, and even harder to know who is responsible to make the call.

As long as we do not agree on the fundamental definitions, we can not move forward.

On top of that, the proposal is too much a mix between "what we would like to have" (a goal) and "what changes do we accept to the current regime" (how to reach the goal).

It would be, according to my view, much easier to agree on a new act on digital services if we because of this divided the discussion around:

1. Definitions, which includes an architecture
2. The goal, how we would have defined a green field solution
3. How to walk towards the goal, from where we are today

At the moment, everything is mixed up, and as long as COM (as in the last presentation I saw) started with the baseline that "platforms are evil, they are from USA an China and steal all money from Europe" then I ask whether we have the same goal.

FWIW: We have some large players in Europe as well (which are ignored) and with such a view, the barrier of entry for new (European) players will continue to be high. Maybe we instead should see what we really can do in Europe, and build on that?

   Patrik -- somewhat disappointed and without real ideas on what to do next

On 16 Jul 2020, at 15:54, Suzanne Taylor wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> The European Commission’s upcoming Digital Services Act will impact many of us, and in ways that aren’t yet fully understood. Find out what we discussed during our RIPE NCC Open House last week, when we brought the community together to ask questions, share ideas and discuss concerns about this wide-reaching newly proposed legislation.
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/what-the-digital-services-act-means-for-all-of-us-a-community-discussion <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/what-the-digital-services-act-means-for-all-of-us-a-community-discussion>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Suzanne Taylor
> RIPE NCC
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