[cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process

Dear Chris,

Thank you for this helpful reply, which does indeed clarify some points.

But I'm still not clear on something. The RIPE "proposal" that you refer to
below is a very short text, and it does not appear to me to be a response to
the RFP issued by the ICG.

So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a
response to the ICG's RFP?  Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC
staff?  And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is
submitted to CRIP?"

Thanks and best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net]
> Sent: lundi, 20. octobre 2014 14:30
> To: rhill at hill-a.ch
> Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group
> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
>
>
> Hi Richard, all,
>
> Thank you for the clarification. A couple of points initially:
>
> - The proposal that you are quoting is a draft text, intended as
> input to a community discussion - obviously it should not be
> regarded as final, and any sections that are unclear or
> problematic should be refined over the coming weeks.
> [Text of the draft proposal is available at:
> https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition]
>
> - The text was published prior to the announcement of the
> proposed Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team
> that was referred to in my earlier mail. The CRISP team proposal
> will likely have some implications for the RIPE community proposal text.
> [Text of the CRISP team proposal is available at:
> https://nro.net/crisp-team]
>
> It is expected that the RIPE community will finalise its proposal
> in early December, and pass this to the proposed CRISP team, who
> will be responsible for producing a consolidated proposal from
> all five RIR communities.
>
> If I understand correctly, your question is whether this
> consolidated proposal will be circulated back to the five RIR
> communities for discussion before being passed to the IANA
> Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) on (or before) 15
> January.
>
> The CRISP proposal noted in my earlier mail specifies that all
> work by the CRISP team will be conducted on public mailing lists
> and teleconferences, allowing for the community to monitor this
> consolidation process as it occurs. It is likely that the CRISP
> team would plan to circulate a consolidated proposal back to the
> five RIR communities (either via theianaxfer at nro.net mailing list
> or the individual community forums), but the details of that
> process will be something for the CRISP team to decide. Obviously
> it would entail a trade-off in terms of time for their own work
> and deliberation.
>
> Community input and feedback would be a major factor in that
> decision, so I would urge anyone with strong feelings on this or
> any other aspects of the RIPE or CRISP proposals to raise their
> concerns explicitly on this mailing list.
>
> At the same time, I would encourage anyone supportive of the
> current proposals to voice that support.
>
> Best regards,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Oct 2014, at 18:08, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
>
> > Dear Chris,
> >
> > Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question.
> >
> > My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically
> > directed at RIPE.
> >
> > Again, here is my question:
> >
> >> [The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to
> > complete the [IANA
> >> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th
> > 2015."
> >>
> >> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR?  That is, is the proposal
> > going
> >> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
> >>
> >> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to
> this (or some
> >> other) mailing list?
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net]
> >> Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38
> >> To: rhill at hill-a.ch
> >> Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group
> >> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Richard, all,
> >>
> >> Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR
> >> IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible
> >> for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR
> >> communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal
> >> to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
> >>
> >> More information on this is available at:
> >> https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con
> > solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
> >
> > The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR
> > communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences
> and a new
> > public mailing list:
> > https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer
> >
> > All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the
> current proposal
> > is acceptable to the community, an open call for community
> representatives
> > to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly.
> >
> > I hope this goes some way to answering your question.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
> >
> >> I refer to the message at:
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620.
>> html
>>
>> It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA
>> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th
> 2015."
>>
>> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR?  That is, is the proposal
> going
>> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
>>
>> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some
>> other) mailing list?
>>
>> Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the
>> global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
>