[cooperation-wg] Prism

On 30 jun 2013, at 20:39, Lars-Johan Liman <liman at autonomica.se> wrote:

> web browser --> web server --> mail server --> SMTP connection -->
>  mail server --> Microsoft Exchange server --> IMAP connection --> web
>  server --> web client.
> 
> Which part is or isn't involved? (This is a rhetorical question - no
> need to answer.)
> 
> E-mail is message passing between users. I'm not sure the protocol
> matters that much ...

I think it is the other way around. To be able to know what to save data about, one must have recommendations that do say exactly where and what to retain. In the paper I wrote that was not accepted I explained exactly what Lars-Johan explain above, and concluded that as SMTP and IMAP connections are involved data about the messages will be retained.

I.e. webmail consists of one "web" transaction between client and web server, and one email transaction from the web server to the mail server. If now mail is to be retained the mail transaction has to be retained. As web transactions are not to be retained that leg should and will not be retained -- even if it is a web transaction that as a result will generate email.

That was not acceptable by the parties that to me obviously where not happy with the result during the discussions in the European Parliament where it to be at least was clear that web should not be retained.

And I get somewhat bad taste in my mount when I heard people after decision is taken in the European Parliament that web is not to be retained still try to retain "some" web transactions.

   Patrik