<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Maybe I did not explain myself correctly. The BCP talks about relying only on RIRs IRRs for route(6) objects and it doesn't mention RPKI at all.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">My question is why use the effort of educating parties about RPSL, creating objects, etc. when all that effort can be used to teach them how to create ROAs (or pointing them to the nice videos de RIRs have) and simplify this BCP to "IXPs will only accept valid ROAs".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Thanks.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 11:00 AM Stavros Konstantaras <<a href="mailto:stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net">stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-2465078154877513070"> <div lang="en-NL" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"> <div class="m_-2465078154877513070WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Hi Tomas, <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">There is nothing to correct on that, that is exactly what we are planning to do. I was in talks with the DECIX colleagues to create a strategy on how to approach our members/customers together, educate them and measure progress in a monthly basis. Obviously the 12-month soft-deadline is subject on the performance of our actions. <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Indeed, when our customers realized how easy is for them to use the RIPE, ARIN or APNIC WEB portal to create ROAS, we saw prefixes being transition from unknown to valid. I think the above plan and its benefits is heavily overlooked from our community </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">☹</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Kind Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Stavros<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div id="m_-2465078154877513070mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">connect-wg <<a href="mailto:connect-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Tomas Lynch <<a href="mailto:tomas.lynch@gmail.com" target="_blank">tomas.lynch@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday, 10 June 2024 at 00:21<br> <b>To: </b>Connect-WG <<a href="mailto:connect-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [connect-wg] BCOP for the use of IRR DBs in IXP RS - Last call<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Please correct me if I'm wrong about my logic and naive about my proposal here:<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">If this BCOP is implemented by an IXP, then the IXP would have to tell all their peers to create route(6) objects in their RIR if they do not have it. At the same time, those peers would have to tell their customers to create objects in their RIR and so on. The time of that process in the BCP first draft is calculated as a grace period of 12 months (of course it can be reviewed).<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">So, there is an effort on the IXPs and on the peers to educate customers that can be used to educate them in signing ROAs. These users would have to login in their RIRs anyway. If I were a lazy AS administrator, I would rather create an ROA with 3 or 4 clicks than learn RPSL.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 1:20<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>PM Stavros Konstantaras <<a href="mailto:stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net" target="_blank">stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Difficult but not impossible, right? </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Maybe a reasonable counter-proposal would be to delay the removal of RADB for an extra year until a common API is adopted or a proxy tool is developed ?</span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Technical solutions exist, is a matter of willingness and I would love to see initiatives into that direction rather seeing ourselves rely on convenient solutions. </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Kind Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Stavros</span><u></u><u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p> <div id="m_-2465078154877513070m_5176865590691217728mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">connect-wg <<a href="mailto:connect-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Arturo Servin via connect-wg <<a href="mailto:connect-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Friday, 7 June 2024 at 09:51<br> <b>To: </b>Barry O'Donovan (Open Solutions) <<a href="mailto:barry@opensolutions.ie" target="_blank">barry@opensolutions.ie</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>Connect-WG <<a href="mailto:connect-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [connect-wg] BCOP for the use of IRR DBs in IXP RS - Last call</span><u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 11:21<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>PM Barry O'Donovan (Open Solutions) <<a href="mailto:barry@opensolutions.ie" target="_blank">barry@opensolutions.ie</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Hi all,<br> <br> <br> <br> One comment I did make was that it was paradoxical, on one hand, to <br> bemoan the depeering of large network(s) from route servers and discuss <br> how IXPs could engage to bring them back while, on the other hand, <br> trying to implement a practice which would dictate how and where they <br> should register their routing objects.<u></u><u></u></p> </blockquote> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">And this will definitely won't help to bring them back (and probably nothing will but we can try ... )<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">As I mentioned in my previous email, as stated in the MARNS for CDN/Cloud providers their approach for the same problem is different and possibly incompatible.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">In a perfect world where all RIR support and have the same APIs to manage IRR objects, this could have an opportunity, but in the current state of affairs for IRR management in RIRs, I think it is difficult.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">as<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br> connect-wg mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:connect-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">connect-wg@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> <br> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><u></u><u></u></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div>