<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Leo,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I think I like that tweak, and certainly we're likely to receive feedback on it if we've got it wrong and we can change it easily.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> With that I'm happy for this to be released.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div> <div></div> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Brian Nisbet (he/him)</p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Service Operations Manager</p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Leo Vegoda <leo@vegoda.org><br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday 29 June 2021 19:22<br> <b>To:</b> Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><br> <b>Cc:</b> Antony Gollan <agollan@ripe.net>; coc-tf@ripe.net <coc-tf@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [coc-tf] Updated Draft Code of Conduct</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.<br> <br> <br> Hi Brian,<br> <br> I read this part of the text:<br> <br> "Behaviours that undermine our values are unacceptable and will not be<br> tolerated [...] Identity discrimination. Any behaviour, actions, or<br> presentation content displaying discrimination based on [...] Mental<br> or physical ability" to mean that discrimination based on disability<br> is not permitted. But perhaps we could tweak that bullet slightly to<br> something like this:<br> <br> - Degree of mental or physical ability or disability<br> <br> Would that work?<br> <br> Kind regards,<br> <br> Leo<br> <br> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 7:49 AM Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:<br> ><br> > Leo,<br> ><br> > So most CoCs would have an explicit statement that people should not be discriminated etc. due to disability. It would be a normal piece of such a list. We don't say that, we say mental or physical ability, which may be the same, but I don't feel that I can judge. So I'm asking if others have considered it.<br> ><br> > As to asking someone else, well, I don't want to presume, in any way, but there is at least some similarity across visible disabilities, or rather in the way that they have often attracted abuse, derision or harassment. Even asking one person in that very wide and complex group would be better than asking nobody.<br> ><br> > I hope that helps?<br> ><br> > Brian<br> ><br> > Brian Nisbet (he/him)<br> ><br> > Service Operations Manager<br> ><br> > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<br> ><br> > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<br> ><br> > +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heanet.ie%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C58b198fbe5eb4f08538f08d93b2af3b6%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637605877937810913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fIYi6190Y05kt4qRMIndFuyOck0k%2F70usDtviKJ1FvU%3D&reserved=0"> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heanet.ie%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C58b198fbe5eb4f08538f08d93b2af3b6%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637605877937810913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fIYi6190Y05kt4qRMIndFuyOck0k%2F70usDtviKJ1FvU%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<br> ><br> > ________________________________<br> > From: Leo Vegoda <leo@vegoda.org><br> > Sent: Tuesday 29 June 2021 14:48<br> > To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><br> > Cc: Antony Gollan <agollan@ripe.net>; coc-tf@ripe.net <coc-tf@ripe.net><br> > Subject: Re: [coc-tf] Updated Draft Code of Conduct<br> ><br> ><br> > CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.<br> ><br> > Hi Brian,<br> ><br> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > <br> > I've just had one thought (sorry!)...<br> ><br> > We mention "Mental or physical ability" in the list, what we don't do, at any point, is mention disability explicitly.<br> ><br> > So I've two questions from this. Do we, as a group, feel that it should be explicitly mentioned, or do we feel it's covered in that sentence?<br> ><br> ><br> > Can you expand on that? What might be missing?<br> ><br> > And if we feel it is covered, can we ask someone who would be affected by that if they agree?<br> ><br> ><br> > How should we understand “someone” in that sentence? There are many different kinds of disability, so how many people would we need to speak with before making a decision on whether to adjust our text?<br> ><br> > Regards,<br> ><br> > Leo<br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>