Re: Opt-out ? we do know the "bounce" command...

[Jan Meijer <]

Sabri Berisha wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Gunnar Lindberg wrote:
>
>
> > My point is that Governments may not listen to us anyway, but if
> > we behave like 5 year old kids there is 100% gaurantee they won't.
> We are the techies; we are in charge. If some arrogant parliament thinks
> they can legalize theft of service they will get to see what that theft of
> service means.

Which would not help the cause 'send spammers into the sun', as there 
are laws against theft of service.  Good guys turning bad and into jail 
are not what the remaining good guys can use.

There appear to be different directions with which you can address spam 
to the EU parlement.

-spam as theft of service
-spam as abuse of privacy

They are governed by different European directives (as far as I know 
there is currently no European directive on cybercrime, only national 
legislation), that are probably under the responsibility of different 
parts of the EU.

It might even be sensible to pursue both directions.  After all, one of 
the major contributers to the spam problem is the *ability* for spammers 
to steal service anonymously.  Get spammers out in the open will 
contribute to solving the problem, as you can then identify them and use 
the privacy directive on them.

If there were legal or financial consequences to a provider (be it a 
regular ISP organization or the individual with his cable account not 
knowing what he is doing) to running a bad mail-installation (bad is 
defined as what is BCP), we, the people actually suffering, could decide 
to do something about it.


Theft of service is not the answer, denial of service to spammers might be.

Jan