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<div dir="ltr">Of course. Without serge’s point 5 though, I doubt whether the rechartering will have very much use or effect. </div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 10, 2024 5:27:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Serge Droz <serge.droz@first.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group</font>
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<div style="font-size:14px; font-family:Calibri">Serge,<br>
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there's been extensive debate on AAWG over the years about the principles behind your additional suggestions below, but very little consensus. If sanctioning is added to the charter of a new security-wg, this lack of consensus is likely to continue, and the
only outcome will be that the WG will be distracted from other productive output. I understand why you might want it in there, but punitive action is not within the remit of the RIPE NCC. Similarly on point 2, advocacy is important, but requirement / enforcement
is out of scope for both the RIPE Community and RIPE NCC.<br>
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Nick<br>
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<span>Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote on 10/05/2024 07:21:</span><br>
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<p>Hi Leo</p>
<p>It's more about sharpening the focus. I colored this red below. I feel eventually the RIPE NCC must adapt stronger policies to punish non-action or disregard of action. I think it would be better if this WG comes up with such policies which the RIPE NCC
can then adopt (or not) rather than the RIPE NCC having to react to external pressure, e.g. from policy makers, in particular the EU. I'm sure one can formulate this much better. I firmly believe, that there is no way around stronger regulation, and I'd much
rather see this coming from this community than form the outside. The regulators i see and work with are increasingly irritated and react with totally inadequate demands, which I wont reproduce here.<br>
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<li>Identifying and analyzing emerging security threats and vulnerabilities affecting Internet infrastructure.<br>
</li><li>Collaborating with stakeholders, <font color="#ff0004">in particular the RIPE community</font>, to develop and advocate
<font color="#ff0004">and implement</font> best practices, guidelines, and standards for securing Internet resources.</li><li>Facilitating information sharing and cooperation among network operators, law enforcement, and relevant entities to mitigate security risks.</li><li>Providing education, training, and outreach initiatives to raise awareness of security issues and promote best practices adoption.</li><li><font color="#ff0004">Develop policies recommendations to the RIPE NCC that help enforcing good behavior and sanction disregard for faccepted security standards. This includes the definition of acceptable minimal standards.
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Best regards</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 09.05.24 21:39, Leo Vegoda wrote:<br>
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">Hi Serge,
On Thu, 9 May 2024 at 11:41, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">Hi Leo
We can only recommend the community, obviously.
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">I agree.
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">So these aare the best
practices
We can recommend that RIPE NCC changes its rules and procedures to
address certain issues.
As a WG, if I'm correct we have no other power.
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">Based on thisl, I don't understand what's missing from the draft text.
Maybe you could suggest some specific edits?
Kind regards,
Leo
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Dr. Serge Droz
Member, FIRST Board of Directors
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.first.org">https://www.first.org</a></pre>
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