<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you for coming back.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> It's a pity we don't know, but I do wonder, given the outlier level of French LEA interaction over two years, if it's worth trying to find out?</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div id="Signature"> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Brian Nisbet (he/him)</span> <div style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Service Operations Manager</div> <div style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</div> <div style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> North Dock Two, 93-94 North Wall Quay, Dublin 1, D01 V8Y6</div> <div style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</div> <span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270</span></div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Theodoros Fyllaridis <tfyllaridis@ripe.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday 12 April 2024 10:33<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <p></p> <div style="background-color:#FFCACA; width:100%; border-style:solid; border-color:#9C6500; border-width:1pt; padding:2pt; font-size:10pt; line-height:12pt; font-family:'Calibri'; color:Black; text-align:left"> <span style="color:#9C6500">CAUTION[External]:</span> This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.</div> <br> <p></p> <div> <div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dear colleagues,</font> <div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br> </font></div> <div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(63,67,80)">Regarding Brian’s initial question, we do not know what is driving this volume of requests; we have explained our processes and our available data to this particular LEA multiple times.</span><br> </font></div> <div><span style="color:rgb(63,67,80); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br> </font></span></div> <div><span style="color:rgb(63,67,80); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Kind regards,</font></span></div> <div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br> </font></div> <div><font color="#3f4350" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Theodoros Fyllaridis</span></font></div> <div><font color="#3f4350" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Legal Counsel</span></font></div> <div><font color="#3f4350" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">RIPE NCC</span></font></div> </div> <br> <div class="x_gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 02:11, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com">ops.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">I was expecting something like this for a long, long time, to be honest. What you now have is something created for want of that mythical beast, the internet police, which nobody ever seems to be.</div> <div id="x_m_5813742544440809222ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">--srs</div> </div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_m_5813742544440809222divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Alex de Joode <<a href="mailto:adejoode@idgara.nl" target="_blank">adejoode@idgara.nl</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 12:32:24 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Serge Droz <<a href="mailto:serge.droz@first.org" target="_blank">serge.droz@first.org</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023</font> <div> </div> </div> <div dir="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif; background-image:none; background-repeat:repeat"> <span style="font-size:10pt">The EU is working on implementing the e-Evidence directive. </span> <div style="font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><br> </div> <div><span style="font-size:10pt">This means any-and-all EU based LEO's can request data from RIPE NCC and RIPE NCC needs to supply the data if it has the data available. No 'let us check' no 'you can have this via our website' answers possible anymore. This will most likely be extended for signatories of the 'Budapest convention', the US is very eager to have access to this data also. (There is the public data, but to know who pays for a resource is of course easier to check as the banks know a lot more about their clients than RIPE). </span> <div style="font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><br> </div> <div><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><a href="https://commission.europa.eu/law/cross-border-cases/judicial-cooperation/types-judicial-cooperation/e-evidence-cross-border-access-electronic-evidence_en" target="_blank">https://commission.europa.eu/law/cross-border-cases/judicial-cooperation/types-judicial-cooperation/e-evidence-cross-border-access-electronic-evidence_en</a></span><br> <div style="font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif; font-size:10pt">-- <div>IDGARA | Alex de Joode | <a href="mailto:alex@idgara.nl" target="_blank">alex@idgara.nl</a> | +31651108221 <br> </div> </div> </div> <br> <span style="font-size:10pt">On Wed, 10-04-2024 19h 28min, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:</span><br> <blockquote style="font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif; font-size:10pt; margin-left:10px; padding-left:10px; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"> <div> <div> <div dir="auto">Hi Randy<br> <br> Agreed and I'm not saying we should just hand everything over on a gold plate to LE. Bien we cannot just say no all the time, but should actually come up with solutions we feel are good or a good compromise.<br> <br> I expect LE to understand our issues, but we should understand theirs <br> <br> Best<br> Serge</div> <br> <br> <div> <div dir="auto">On 10 April 2024 16:25:26 UTC, Randy Bush <<a href="mailto:randy@psg.com" target="_blank">randy@psg.com</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"> <pre><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207); padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">In a recent talk Jane Easterly said: "The private sector has promised<br>better security for yeas but has not delivered. This has to change".<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br>was this not in the context of software and platform safety? easterly<br>has been riding that hobby horse for a few years, and with serious<br>justification.<br><br>but i agree that the RIRs could be clearer in what they can and can not<br>do for LE. and there needs to be a balance of visibility and privacy.<br>LE is always gonna want more; that's their job, and we need them. but,<br>as jeff schiller said (in the ietf protocol design context) "Law<br>enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called<br>a police state."<br><br>randy<br><br></div></pre> </blockquote> </div> <div dir="auto">--<br> Dr. Serge Droz<br> Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams<br> <a href="https://first.org" target="_blank">https://first.org</a></div> </div> <div><font color="#999999">--<br> <br> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> </font></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> -- <br> <br> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>