<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They�re two very different things so asking about the two and pushing for them at the same time in my view is a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">RPKI is only going to be deployed by network operators and they *<b>should</b>* have the technical ability to do this and doing so is �good�<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">DNSSEC, on the other hand, is available for the many millions of domain names out there and is an incredibly brittle technology. A minor mistake with the deployment will literally kill the domain and all its services. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Pushing for DNSSEC adoption by financial services, government and other �enterprise� users makes a lot of sense, but pushing it for all domains is a terrible idea and has more negative impacts than positives.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele, who has consistently disliked how much time energy and money is pushed into DNSSEC while so many other things aren�t resourced<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Wout de Natris <denatrisconsult@hotmail.nl><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday, 11 March 2024 at 10:01<br> <b>To: </b>anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>[anti-abuse-wg] IS3C public consultation on an alternative narrative to deploy Internet standards<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #FFCACA 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background:#FFCACA;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p style="background:#FFCACA;border:none;padding:0cm"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="elementtoproof" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">IGF DC IS3C invites you to participate in the consultation on positively enhancing the deployment of two Internet standards: DNSSEC and RPKI. You are invited to answer either of these questions: Do the arguments used to favor a positive decision, convince you to order deployment within your organisation or from your service provider? / Do they assist you to convince decision takers in your organisation to invest in security by design? You are invited to share your views and arguments with IS3C�s expert team and have been granted commenting rights in this document to do so. The consultation runs from <b>11 March to 12PM UTC, Friday 5 April 2024</b>. Your contribution will be taken into consideration when finalising the text before publication this spring. Here is the link to the Google Doc:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="elementtoproof" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;min-width:424px"> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;margin-left:36.0pt;border:solid #C8C8C8 1.0pt"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt"> <div style="margin-right:9.0pt;overflow:hidden"> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:blue"><img border="0" width="240" height="126" style="width:2.5in;height:1.3125in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyKX2Kk3Ln5vVsuCkXG99FKVph_OJAKVycHnHbNDtU3ypxvkIuZHkBdUoYgSyF8Q-44HL6Bfq8eDGZeMKI2Jyf-_6xgR24RTvX5QEmO69ZSTpnE=w1200-h630-p"></span></span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> <td width="50%" valign="top" style="width:50.72%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt"> <div style="margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light",sans-serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="text-decoration:none">IS3C WG 8 work document</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6">docs.google.com<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">We hope to receive your views so we can present the most convincing arguments to deploy DNSSEC, RPKI and all other security-related Internet standards and ICT best practices. (FYI, this project is sponsored by ICANN and RIPE NCC.)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Wout de Natris<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED5C57">IS3C: Making the Internet more secure and safer</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>