<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They’re two very different things so asking about the two and pushing for them at the same time in my view is a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">RPKI is only going to be deployed by network operators and they *<b>should</b>* have the technical ability to do this and doing so is “good”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">DNSSEC, on the other hand, is available for the many millions of domain names out there and is an incredibly brittle technology. A minor mistake with the deployment will literally kill the domain and all its services. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Pushing for DNSSEC adoption by financial services, government and other “enterprise” users makes a lot of sense, but pushing it for all domains is a terrible idea and has more negative impacts than positives.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele, who has consistently disliked how much time energy and money is pushed into DNSSEC while so many other things aren’t resourced<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Wout de Natris <denatrisconsult@hotmail.nl><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday, 11 March 2024 at 10:01<br> <b>To: </b>anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>[anti-abuse-wg] IS3C public consultation on an alternative narrative to deploy Internet standards<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #FFCACA 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background:#FFCACA;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p style="background:#FFCACA;border:none;padding:0cm"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="elementtoproof" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">IGF DC IS3C invites you to participate in the consultation on positively enhancing the deployment of two Internet standards: DNSSEC and RPKI. You are invited to answer either of these questions: Do the arguments used to favor a positive decision, convince you to order deployment within your organisation or from your service provider? / Do they assist you to convince decision takers in your organisation to invest in security by design? You are invited to share your views and arguments with IS3C’s expert team and have been granted commenting rights in this document to do so. The consultation runs from <b>11 March to 12PM UTC, Friday 5 April 2024</b>. Your contribution will be taken into consideration when finalising the text before publication this spring. Here is the link to the Google Doc:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="elementtoproof" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;min-width:424px"> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;margin-left:36.0pt;border:solid #C8C8C8 1.0pt"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt"> <div style="margin-right:9.0pt;overflow:hidden"> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:blue"><img border="0" width="240" height="126" style="width:2.5in;height:1.3125in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyKX2Kk3Ln5vVsuCkXG99FKVph_OJAKVycHnHbNDtU3ypxvkIuZHkBdUoYgSyF8Q-44HL6Bfq8eDGZeMKI2Jyf-_6xgR24RTvX5QEmO69ZSTpnE=w1200-h630-p"></span></span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> <td width="50%" valign="top" style="width:50.72%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt"> <div style="margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light",sans-serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYq3ie9D03L1Z5ssgPbWKV5becUgNw0h7_fmm9xGWKs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="text-decoration:none">IS3C WG 8 work document</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6">docs.google.com<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">We hope to receive your views so we can present the most convincing arguments to deploy DNSSEC, RPKI and all other security-related Internet standards and ICT best practices. (FYI, this project is sponsored by ICANN and RIPE NCC.)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Wout de Natris<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED5C57">IS3C: Making the Internet more secure and safer</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>