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<div dir="ltr">Over a decade ago, a friend (then working at a large national telecom regulator) told me that industry self regulation works best, and that if the government was forced to step in and regulate, neither industry nor government would be happy with
the results. Looks like that saying seems to be coming true. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 19, 2024 2:16:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Bulletproof servers causing mischief on the internet</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Hank<br>
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Thanks for this: It's pure gold.<br>
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I sometimes think this WG is held prisoner by a hand full of people, <br>
which are the ones that then whine in five years because the EU will put <br>
a stop at this on their terms. Here in Switzerland more and more anti <br>
abuse legislation is enacted because some providers just won't move.<br>
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Best<br>
Serge<br>
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On 18/01/2024 07:46, Hank Nussbacher wrote:<br>
> On 17/01/2024 23:05, Tomás Oliveira Valente Leite de Castro via <br>
> anti-abuse-wg wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> I believe RIPE NCC's job is not to police the internet, but to provide <br>
>> registration services. However RIPE should guarantee that the <br>
>> registrant's data is correct and up to date. This includes a proper <br>
>> abuse contact.<br>
> <br>
> I have heard so often that RIPE NCC's job is to *not* police the <br>
> Internet. Then I heard John Curran's keynote at NANOG in October:<br>
> The Expanding Landscape of Internet Governance: Why Network Operators <br>
> Need a Global View<br>
> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ip39Qv-Zk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ip39Qv-Zk</a><br>
> and realize that over the next decade we will be handed EU edicts that <br>
> will far exceed anything we thought possible. Take the 45 minutes and <br>
> listen to John.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Hank<br>
> <br>
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Dr. Serge Droz<br>
Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST)<br>
serge.droz@first.org | <a href="https://www.first.org">https://www.first.org</a><br>
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