<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>If sending notifications is so effective and you already have the infrastructure in place to do it, then why involve RIPE? Can’t you just send the notices?</div><div><br></div><div>laura </div><div><br></div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 1 Dec 2023, at 12:52, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>It will make some organizations start handling reports that didn't do it before.<br><br>We tried this in Switzerland, sending all ISPs abuse data asking them to deal with it. In the beginning, very little enthusiasm, today most do.<br><br>None of these proposals have ever been tries, yet your you insist on knowing they don't work. Let's try it and see what happens. If you insist on 100% guarantees you'll never change anything. This is, why in the IETF you can't simply say no, but you have to come with an alternative. So to that I challenge you.<br><br>With this attitude the internet wouldn't exist. Sounds like the "Seat belts don't work" fraction back in the day.<br><br>But I'll shut up now and focus on more constructive discussions elsewhere.<br><br>Best<br>Serge<br><br><br>On 01.12.23 13:22, Laura Atkins wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">None of this will make a company who doesn’t want to deal with abuse complaints deal with abuse complaints. It’s a total waste of resources.<br>laura<br><blockquote type="cite">On 1 Dec 2023, at 10:53, U.Mutlu <security@mutluit.com> wrote:<br><br>For each complaint to RIPE NCC then such an<br>(automated) email should be sent by the RIPE NCC<br>to the abuse-c of that member.<br>This should be the absolute minimum that should be done by the RIPE NCC.<br><br><br>Matthias Merkel wrote on 11/30/23 11:47:<br><blockquote type="cite">The proposal is to send verification emails to abuse mailboxes and have a link<br>in them clicked, right? I would have no objection to that.<br><br>Is there more that is being proposed in this proposal specifically?<br><br>—<br>Maria Merkel<br></blockquote><br><br><br>-- <br><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/<br></blockquote>-- <br>The Delivery Expert<br>Laura Atkins<br>Word to the Wise<br>laura@wordtothewise.com<br>Delivery hints and commentary: http://wordtothewise.com/blog<br></blockquote><br>-- <br>Dr. Serge Droz<br>Member, FIRST Board of Directors<br>https://www.first.org<br><br>-- <br><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
<meta charset="UTF-8">-- <br>The Delivery Expert<br><br>Laura Atkins<br>Word to the Wise<br>laura@wordtothewise.com<br><br>Delivery hints and commentary: http://wordtothewise.com/blog<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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