<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IN" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word;overflow-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;line-break:after-white-space"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I seem to remember an OPTA.nl proposal from 2011 or so which was remarkably cogent. I can’t find it right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As my (partial) email archives from that period contain threads about ignored abuse reports and netblocks with entirely bogus contact information (eg the address is an empty lot and the company in question is a shell), I would say that there’s a lot of déjà vu here and much the same arguments presented against any such proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">RIPE may or may not get to sanction people, but they do get to do due diligence on how and to whom they allocate netblocks. They have a fiduciary role towards IP addresses of the sort that a bank manager has on verifying who they hand out a loan to, before handing over a single Euro.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--srs<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Laura Atkins <laura@wordtothewise.com><br> <b>Date: </b>Friday, 1 December 2023 at 6:58</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">PM<br> <b>To: </b><br> <b>Cc: </b>anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So we’re back to: how much will it cost to do this and how much will it actually improve anything?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Which ignores a lot of big questions like: does RIPE actually have the authority to sanction folks, <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>