<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div style="/* inherit */" class="main-style-caf32cae4251debb8530"> <div>The RIPE community sets rules for the operation of the RIPE NCC, not rules imposed on any network operators.</div> <br> <div class="front-signature"> <div>—</div> <div>Maria Merkel</div> <div><img style="width: 118px; height: 14.75px;" src="https://cdn.staclar.com/logos/novecore/newlogo.png"></div> <div><br> </div> <div><span style="font-size: 10px;">This email was sent by Staclar, Inc. 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We setup rules and enforce them in all the 5 RIRs. <div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"> <div> <div>Regards,<br> Jordi<br> <br> @jordipalet<br> <br> </div> </div> <div><br> <blockquote class="front-blockquote" type="cite"> <div>El 30 nov 2023, a las 9:39, Matthias Merkel <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>> escribió:</div> <br class="fate0elz"> <div> <div> <div class="fa-6y2rxw" style="/* inherit */"> <div>Hi Leo,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The definition of a regulator is an entity that sets and enforces rules on the persons it supervises.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>If the RIPE NCC goes further than just providing numbers, and instead enforces rules on usage associated with them (note that this doesn't even concern the use of the numbers themselves, but rather services addressed by them), it will, by definition, be a regulator.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I'm not sure that there will be consensus on wanting the NCC to become a regulator.</div> <br> <div class="front-signature"> <div>—</div> <div>Maria Merkel</div> <div><img style="width: 118px; height: 14.75px;" src="https://cdn.staclar.com/logos/novecore/newlogo.png"></div> <div><br> </div> <div><span style="font-size: 10px;">This email was sent by Staclar, Inc. 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Staclar Financial Services Ltd. is not an authorised person within the meaning of the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 and does not review, approve, or endorse financial promotions for securities issues it is involved in or provide any form of investment advice.</span></div> </div> </div> <img style="width: 1px; height: 1px" alt="Sent from Front" src="https://app.frontapp.com/api/1/noauth/companies/2fa1142cccd8fdcdb954/seen/msg_123qlgei/0/755a3ad5.gif"><br> <blockquote class="front-blockquote" type="cite">On November 30, 2023 at 9:36 AM GMT+1 <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank"> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a> wrote:<br> <br> <div id="fae_123qsloq6dxykg">Hi Leo,<br> <br> I don’t see it as a regulator, I see it as one of the functions of a RIR. Not just provide numbers, but also ensure that they are being used fairly and according community agreed policies. Otherwise we could also say that other reasons for recovery are invalid because we become a regulator, right?<br> <br> Each RIR has measured the “level of adoption” as they progressed with the initial verification (and this was presented at least a couple of times in every RIR), so there are slides in each of them, showing the progress. I can try to find them for you in the previous year's events if you can’t find them. Also my personal experience reporting over 1.500 abuse cases, average per day, shows that I get more “happy-ending” responses from those regions than before and keeps going better and better, which is not the case from RIPE unfortunately.<br> <br> Regards,<br> Jordi<br> <br> @jordipalet<br> <br> <blockquote class="front-blockquote" type="cite"><br> > El 29 nov 2023, a las 16:09, Leo Vegoda <<a href="mailto:leo@vegoda.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">leo@vegoda.org</a>> escribió:<br> > <br> > Hi Jordi,<br> > <br> > <br> > On Nov 29, 2023, at 11:29, jordi.palet--- via anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br> >> <br> >> I agree that the carrot is better than the stick, but if the carrot doesn’t work, we need to use the stick.<br> >> <br> >> My original proposal was basically enforcing the NCC to reclaim the resources when there is a persistent violation of resolving abuse cases. This can be progressive, such as not allowing to update objects in the database, etc. No need to go with “a single failure means you lose your resources”.<br> > <br> > How could we do this without the RIPE NCC becoming some kind of regulator? Or is the proposal to make the RIPE NCC a private sector regulator?<br> > <br> >> As said, this is working in other 2 regions, one more coming (pending of the AFRINIC board ratification). Why should not work in this region the same? Also the PoC in ARIN works in a similar way, and being non-responsive means you get some “members” rights restricted.<br> > <br> > Who has been measuring the reduction is abuse? 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