<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div style="/* inherit */" class="main-style-209ebbb0de228608338f"> <div>Of course, this is not how consensus works. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>I also think you're misunderstanding my argument. I'm all for fighting abuse. A lot of my work is in abuse and fraud prevention and in the prevention of financial crime. I'm not arguing against preventing abuse, only against adding even more regulators where they aren't needed. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>The Gmail example still does not address my concern. They say what you can do with Gmail, which is the service. An IP address itself is not an abusable service, the systems addressed by them are. Gmail doesn't tell you what to do on third party services you sign up to with your <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> gmail.com</a> address. Google is responsible for Gmail. 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If they were to turn up at a ripe meeting and provide consensus .. <br> > <br> > And before you accuse me of packing the room to generate artificial consensus <br> <br> Consensus isn't a numbers thing. I think you've misunderstood the process. <br> <br> Regards, <br> <br> Leo <br> <br> -- <br> <br> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> <br> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>