<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Gert<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The ASN cost for us would have had practically no impact � we only have two and I suspect we�re getting rid of one at some point. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However the other costs that the charging schemes suggested would have cost us thousands � and that simply wasn�t acceptable<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> On 02/11/2023, 10:28, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:19:13AM +0000, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> That?s a massive over simplification of what happened.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> The NCC proposed a number of charging schemes which *included* charges per ASN. The proposal was rejected by the majority of the members who voted because the changes would have cost a lot of us significantly more than what we currently pay. The charge per ASN was only one of multiple elements in the proposal ? to characterise it that the members rejected charging per ASN is very misleading.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I wasn't talking about the previous AGM but about the one where the<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">pre-existing ASN charges got abandoned.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Talking about the *last* meeting, I think most of the members are just<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">not very good at math... introducing a charge for ASN *with a given total<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">budget* would have *lowered* the overall bill for most members, holding<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">only 1 or 2 ASNs (redistributing the overall budget differently).<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">But "nah, can't have extra costs!!!!".<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Yes, a few would have had to pay way more, but I think that's legitimate -<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">if your business is "doling out ASNs to end customers", you'd better have<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">"oh, it might cost money at some point" in your contracts - and in that<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">case, the extra costs directly go to the end customers wanting the ASN.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Gert Doering<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> -- NetMaster<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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