<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div></div> <div style=""> <div dir="ltr">Creative forgery engaged in by fraudulent resource holders is good, it lets people use that forgery first as an indication of badness and second as a way to search for more of the same. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Hiding it would be counter productive to the extreme especially as we may not be able to trust the LIR in at least some cases (or registrars in certain cases, for domain whois).</div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">--srs</div> </div> </div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 8, 2022 3:46:37 AM<br> <b>To:</b> �ngel Gonz�lez Berdasco <angel.gonzalez@incibe.es><br> <b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] addtess verification (was: personal data in the RIPE Database)</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">Hi Angel<br> <br> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 03:09, �ngel Gonz�lez Berdasco<br> <angel.gonzalez@incibe.es> wrote:<br> ><br> > denis wrote:<br> <br> > In a previous mail you mentioned:<br> > > When these people apply to be a member I am sure the RIPE NCC requires proof of identity and proof of address.<br> ><br> > but -being slightly more skeptic- I would like to know what kind of address verification is performed.<br> ><br> > Document ripe-770 do mention the first part:<br> > "Each agreement signed with either the RIPE NCC or with a sponsoring LIR must be accompanied by supporting documentation proving the existence (and validity) of the legal or natural person (see below)."<br> ><br> > but no mention is made of verifying the physical address.<br> > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-770#111">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-770#111</a><br> <br> I checked with the RIPE NCC. You are right. They do no verification at<br> all on the address. Those attributes are maintained by the LIR. They<br> can enter any data they like into the address fields and this can be<br> changed at any time and as frequently as they wish. So with regard to<br> this field Ronald is right, it can be completely false data. If this<br> is pointed out to the RIPE NCC they will follow up and presumably<br> ensure it is corrected.<br> <br> This is significant in two respects. Firstly the value of doing<br> correlations on this unverified free text is questionable. Secondly it<br> still needs to be taken out of the general public domain for natural<br> persons. I am sure some will say it is not a problem as those who want<br> to hide their true address can put false data in there. But that is<br> the wrong approach. We should never put resource holders in a position<br> where a solution to a problem is to lie. Also if the police need to<br> access and use that address data they need it to be correct.<br> <br> So this doesn't change anything. 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