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<div style="" dir="ltr">Yes and when private parties asking about whois get told “we are not the internet police”, that is the ripe community’s very own “not in my backyard”</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">--srs</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Richard Clayton <richard@highwayman.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 6, 2022 7:45:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database</font>
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<div class="PlainText">In message <CAKvLzuG47-bY0vN59+kkcgJ0p4332J7r-Q0wRFnoMhhTaVRgqA@mail.gma<br>
il.com>, denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com> writes<br>
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>They were very clear that the address of resource holders is also very<br>
>important to LEAs in their investigations. So I am going to make a<br>
>controversial suggestion here. Currently we have two categories of<br>
>registry data, Private and Public. The Public data is available to<br>
>LEAs and their use of it is covered by agreed purposes of the RIPE<br>
>Database defined in the Terms & Conditions. For Private data they need<br>
>to get a court order, which is an expensive and time consuming<br>
>process. Suppose we add a middle category Restricted data. This could<br>
>be data like the address of natural persons who hold resources. Data<br>
>that is now public but we are proposing to take out of the public<br>
>domain. We could allow LEAs (and maybe other recognised public safety<br>
>agencies) to continue to have access to this Restricted data without a<br>
>court order. (There are technical ways of doing this which are out of<br>
>scope for this discussion.)<br>
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You appear to be under the impression that Internet security and safety<br>
arises out of the activities of Law Enforcement Agencies whereas in<br>
practice private individuals and companies do the vast majority of this<br>
work -- generating referrals to LEAs when it is appropriate for action<br>
to be taken that only they can perform<br>
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Moving to a situation where only LEAs can see what is currently<br>
available in RIPE whois data would be a very retrograde step and would<br>
seriously impact the security and stability of the Internet.<br>
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-- <br>
richard Richard Clayton<br>
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary <br>
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov 1755<br>
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