<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That�s not entirely true.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It�ll depend on how granular the LIR is with their allocations to their clients. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Speaking on behalf of my company we do assign blocks and abuse-c contacts to quite a few of our clients.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However we wouldn�t do that for every single IP address and due to the nature of some of the services we provide a single IP address is going to be linked to multiple clients. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The main issue we run into is with some reporters using a scatter gun approach with reporting abuse, which is just a waste of everyone�s time. (Basically sending notices to every single contact they can find � not just the abuse-c)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: </span><a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard">https://michele.blog/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: </span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of �ngel Gonz�lez Berdasco <angel.gonzalez@incibe.es><br> <b>Date: </b>Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 23:12<br> <b>To: </b>denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com><br> <b>Cc: </b>anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Proposal: Publish effective users' abuse-c<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #FFCACA 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background:#FFCACA"> <p style="background:#FFCACA;border:none;padding:0cm"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> This bit is not possible. The "abuse-c:" attribute is 'single'. So the<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> resource object can only ever reference one abuse contact.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Denis. abuse-c arity is a point I was dubious about. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thus, it is not currently possible to publish an abuse-c with the customer address and keep the ISP copied at the same time, as desired.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In order to know what is being sent thete, the ISP needs to provide its own address and (if appropriate) forward complaints received there to the customer.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">INCIBE-CERT - Spanish National CSIRT<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">https://www.incibe-cert.es/<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PGP keys: https://www.incibe-cert.es/en/what-is-incibe-cert/pgp-public-keys<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">====================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">INCIBE-CERT is the Spanish National CSIRT designated for citizens,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">private law entities, other entities not included in the subjective<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">scope of application of the "Ley 40/2015, de 1 de octubre, de R�gimen<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jur�dico del Sector P�blico", as well as digital service providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">operators of essential services and critical operators under the terms<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">of the "Real Decreto-ley 12/2018, de 7 de septiembre, de seguridad de<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">las redes y sistemas de informaci�n" that transposes the Directive (EU)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2016/1148 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 6 July 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">concerning measures for a high common level of security of network and<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">information systems across the Union.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">====================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation of the EU<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Regulation EU 2016/679, of 27 April 2016) we inform you that your<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">personal and corporate data (as well as those included in attached<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">documents); 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