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Speaking purely personally, I would certainly be in favour of RIPEstat featuring more RBLs, yes.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday 4 March 2021 16:16<br>
<b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget</font>
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Hi Elvis and Suresh, dear colleagues,<br>
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Putting exact numbers on how many operators are using UCEProtect is<br>
difficult, but through feedback from users, network operators and<br>
members we understand that it is in use and that the provisioning of<br>
this RBL on RIPEstat has value.<br>
<br>
If I am reading the feedback in this discussion correctly, the sentiment<br>
is leaning towards adding more RBLs instead of less and if that is the<br>
case we are going to look into how and when we can achieve this. Please<br>
let me know if that is aligned with your requirements/expectations.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Christian<br>
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On 04/03/2021 09:54, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:<br>
> Hi Christian,<br>
><br>
> while it may be useful to have their data source, it only shows the RIPE<br>
> NCC favors one or two operators and I think that is damaging to the<br>
> whole idea of being impartial.<br>
><br>
> You either include a good list of blacklist operators and their data or<br>
> none. Including only a couple will lead to the impression that only<br>
> those are important enough to be considered by the RIPE NCC.<br>
><br>
> my 2 cents,<br>
> Elvis<br>
><br>
> On 3/3/21 8:27 AM, Christian Teuschel wrote:<br>
>> Dear colleagues,<br>
>><br>
>> RIPEstat is a neutral source of information and we aim to provide users<br>
>> with access to as many data sources as possible to provide insights.<br>
>><br>
>> UCEProtect was added as a data source prior to 2010 and is still used by<br>
>> several network operators to filter traffic into their networks.<br>
>> Including it as a data source in RIPEstat allows users to see whether<br>
>> resources are included in their lists.<br>
>><br>
>> RIPE NCC does not pay for, support or endorse their practices, although<br>
>> we understand that continuing to include UCEProtect as a data source<br>
>> could be misunderstood as such. We also do not use their lists to filter<br>
>> traffic on our services.<br>
>><br>
>> Our goal remains to provide the best visibility and tools for network<br>
>> operators to diagnose their networks. We have also heard your feedback<br>
>> regarding including more RBLs. It is something that we have considered<br>
>> in the past, and we are open to revisiting this.<br>
>><br>
>> RIPEstat is driven by the community. We would like to hear from you<br>
>> about whether including UCEProtect as a data source is useful.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Christian<br>
>><br>
>> On 02/03/2021 00:08, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg wrote:<br>
>>> Hello,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I noticed that RIPE NCC uses uceprotect-level1, uceprotect-level2 and<br>
>>> uceprotect-level3 in RIPEStat Anti Abuse Blacklist Entries widget.<br>
>>><br>
>>> There have been controversial positions about this blacklist recently:<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1)<br>
>>> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsuccess.trendmicro.com%2Fsolution%2F000236583-Emails-being-rejected-by-RBL-UCEPROTECL-in-Hosted-Email-Security-and-Email-Security&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184253161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yFgzAJGezG7oQtmEAhB0s8Mp9Cq5EgGAJYxlh88v2Ic%3D&reserved=0">
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>>><br>
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>>><br>
>>> 2) <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.sucuri.net%2F2021%2F02%2Fuceprotect-when-rbls-go-bad.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BTvsNRt4eyvmEkZT4rq2x09%2FJ%2FsIjRpMx%2FgpCRV0x6o%3D&reserved=0">
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>>> <<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.sucuri.net%2F2021%2F02%2Fuceprotect-when-rbls-go-bad.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BTvsNRt4eyvmEkZT4rq2x09%2FJ%2FsIjRpMx%2FgpCRV0x6o%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.sucuri.net%2F2021%2F02%2Fuceprotect-when-rbls-go-bad.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BTvsNRt4eyvmEkZT4rq2x09%2FJ%2FsIjRpMx%2FgpCRV0x6o%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> UCEPROTECT blacklists the whole range of IP addresses, including the<br>
>>> full IP range of some autonomous systems:<br>
>>> UCEPROTECT states, '/Who is responsible for this listing? YOU ARE NOT!<br>
>>> Your IP was NOT directly involved in abuse but has a bad neighborhood.<br>
>>> Other customers within this range did not care about their security and<br>
>>> got hacked, started spamming, or were even attacking others, while your<br>
>>> provider has possibly not even noticed that there is a serious problem.<br>
>>> We are sorry for you, but you have chosen a provider not acting fast<br>
>>> enough on abusers'/) [<a href=""></a>https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Frblcheck.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yKEjd8cb%2BalJ440LDeiSqKWRZJwkNByV1MxCJ9Z36ZE%3D&reserved=0<br>
>>> <<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Frblcheck.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yKEjd8cb%2BalJ440LDeiSqKWRZJwkNByV1MxCJ9Z36ZE%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Frblcheck.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yKEjd8cb%2BalJ440LDeiSqKWRZJwkNByV1MxCJ9Z36ZE%3D&reserved=0</a>>].<br>
>>> It asks for a fee if some individual IP address wants to be<br>
>>> whitelisted<br>
>>> (<a href=""></a>https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitelisted.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=RZRKBzzZ5URWLRov0TpfqnMECng%2FC7Xp09aDC6VfYUE%3D&reserved=0
<<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitelisted.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=RZRKBzzZ5URWLRov0TpfqnMECng%2FC7Xp09aDC6VfYUE%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitelisted.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=RZRKBzzZ5URWLRov0TpfqnMECng%2FC7Xp09aDC6VfYUE%3D&reserved=0</a>>),<br>
>>> It abuses people who decide to challenge their blacklist by publishing<br>
>>> conversations in their so-called /Cart00ney/<br>
>>> (<a href=""></a>https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Findex.php%3Fm%3D8%26s%3D0&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tcTOzuCEh9X4PScwIWD4K9O5mCjZ0KeX%2FgJH6qFigGc%3D&reserved=0<br>
>>> <<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Findex.php%3Fm%3D8%26s%3D0&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tcTOzuCEh9X4PScwIWD4K9O5mCjZ0KeX%2FgJH6qFigGc%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.net%2Fen%2Findex.php%3Fm%3D8%26s%3D0&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tcTOzuCEh9X4PScwIWD4K9O5mCjZ0KeX%2FgJH6qFigGc%3D&reserved=0</a>>;<br>
>>> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2Fcart00neys%2Findex.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wILz2CGHYrLz2S2tqsE6lA9PAzJETAPvaCEkGQx0pGg%3D&reserved=0">
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>>> <<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2Fcart00neys%2Findex.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wILz2CGHYrLz2S2tqsE6lA9PAzJETAPvaCEkGQx0pGg%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2Fcart00neys%2Findex.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wILz2CGHYrLz2S2tqsE6lA9PAzJETAPvaCEkGQx0pGg%3D&reserved=0</a>>).<br>
>>> And the other type of threatening: <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=f5c4kh0%2FM1kBzOOt4IBOScm8O0PmN5tVcCpaPR51dP8%3D&reserved=0">
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=f5c4kh0%2FM1kBzOOt4IBOScm8O0PmN5tVcCpaPR51dP8%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>>> <<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=f5c4kh0%2FM1kBzOOt4IBOScm8O0PmN5tVcCpaPR51dP8%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uceprotect.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd6eabb75245d44d761c208d8df28ed57%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637504714184263120%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=f5c4kh0%2FM1kBzOOt4IBOScm8O0PmN5tVcCpaPR51dP8%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>
>>> Does RIPE NCC have any position on this specific blacklist?<br>
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>>> Thank you!<br>
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Christian Teuschel<br>
RIPE NCC | @christian_toysh<br>
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