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><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">-Cynthia</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:19 PM Tobias Knecht <<a href="mailto:tk@abusix.com" target="_blank">tk@abusix.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Cynthia,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">If you got the impression of me trying to sell you something, I apologize. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">My intention was to help you answer your genuine question and give you my experience on how dozens of Abuse Desk Operators handle this day in, day out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Those real-world best practices differ fundamentally from what some Security Researchers and some Anti Abuse Advocates would love to see implemented real-world best practices. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Once again, if this was hitting the wrong buttons I apologize, this was not my intention. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Tobias </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="height:134.025px"><tbody><tr><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;vertical-align:top" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="height:15.3333px;width:100%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="width:1px;height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p style="line-height:13.3333px;margin:0.1pt"><span style="white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none">Tobias Knecht</span></p></td><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="width:1px;height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;padding-left:3px;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;color:black"><p style="line-height:13.3333px;margin:0.1pt"><span style="white-space:nowrap;color:black;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;text-decoration:none">Founder & CEO</span></p></td><td height="15.3333" style="height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px"><p style="margin:0.1pt;padding:0px;font-size:0px"> </p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;vertical-align:baseline;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;color:black" valign="baseline"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="display:inline-table"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px 3px 0px 0px"><p style="line-height:13.3333px;margin:0.1pt"><span style="white-space:nowrap;color:black;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;text-decoration:none">T.</span></p></td><td><p style="line-height:13.3333px;margin:0.1pt"><span style="white-space:nowrap;color:black;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;text-decoration:none">+49 170 455 98 45</span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td align="left" height="15" style="width:15px;height:15px;max-height:15px;text-align:left;vertical-align:top" valign="top"><p style="line-height:0;margin:0.1pt;padding:0px;width:100%;height:15px"></p></td></tr><tr><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;vertical-align:top" valign="top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="height:15.3333px;width:100%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" height="15.3333" style="width:1px;height:15.3333px;max-height:15.3333px;text-align:left;font-family:"trebuchet ms",geneva,ubuntu;font-size:9.99997pt;text-decoration:underline;color:black"><p style="line-height:13.3333px;margin:0.1pt"><a href="https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCa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