<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div> <div> <div dir="ltr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> Depends on the provider you work for and what services they provide. Randy is (I think) still with NTT rather than a cloud service, vps operator type shop, so a lot of your questions aren’t going to apply to his environment.</div> <div dir="ltr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <br> </div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature"> <div style="direction: ltr;">--srs</div> </div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 22, 2021 3:48:23 AM<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">In message <m2blcdkzvx.wl-randy@psg.com>, <br> Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:<br> <br> >there is a fair bit of spectrum between the internet of cooperating<br> >competitors running their networks as prudently as they can afford<br> >and an internet desired by some where everything is done uniformly<br> >by rigid written rules.<br> <br> You are using the word "afford" in this context as a blanket excuse<br> for incompetence and/or willful anti-social negligence.<br> <br> What is the cost of adding a "cleanup fee" clause to your standard<br> service contracts, and why are you so abysmally bad at business that<br> you cannot afford to do that?<br> <br> What is the cost of filtering outbound port 25 by default, and why are<br> you so abysmally bad at business that you cannot afford to do that?<br> <br> The data is in, and applying one or both of these simple measures to<br> any given network has been demonstrated to reduce the need to pay<br> humans to staff an "abuse desk" dramatically.<br> <br> Are you also unable to "afford" to implement BCP 38?<br> <br> <br> Regards,<br> rfg<br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>