<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Folks,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I should be clear here, the Co-Chairs have no objection to the first post, nothing at all. </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Personally I'm happy for misbehaviour to be called out, while obviously ensuring that people aren't unfairly tarred with bad brushes.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> My comments about the apnic-talk address was that I wasn't sure if that list was used to the kind of content, and I was worried that it might not get Ronald's message where it would it best for it to go. However I'm not sure (without looking it up) what the best reporting mechanisms for APNIC members are. My comments there were advisory, nothing more.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I too would love a discussion where we didn't feel like we had to say a word about the civility of posting, trust me! And thankfully we have had quite a few of those!</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG</div> <div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Brian Nisbet </p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Service Operations Manager</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday 2 December 2020 08:12<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] IPv4 squatting -- Courtesy of AS44050, AS58552</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.<br> <br> <br> First of: Congrats and thank you Ronald for this work.<br> <br> What makes me a bit sad is, that posting this here immediately starts a<br> discussion about what is expected behavior on these lists, rather than<br> how we could combat abuse more efficiently.<br> <br> It seems a seeminglu, to me at least, humorous remark, sparks more<br> discussion than the troubling fact that criminals have the time of their<br> lives during this period of time.<br> <br> I'm all in favor of staying civil on public fora. But noting in the<br> original post was not civil. I am wondering what the we want to achieve<br> here on the anti-abuse list? Call me stupid, but I just don't get it.<br> <br> Best<br> Serge<br> <br> <br> On 01.12.20 22:48, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:<br> > In message <DB7PR06MB501791137C12E71EA525C7DD94F40@DB7PR06MB5017.eurprd06.prod.<br> > outlook.com>, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:<br> ><br> >> However I suspect that X-posting to a list like apnic-talk may not be the<br> >> wisest idea, given the different populations etc...<br> ><br> > It is among my fondest hopes that cybercriminals of all stripes, and<br> > particularly the ones who squat on IPv4 space that doesn't belong to<br> > them, will, in future, show more respect for regional boundaries, such<br> > that their devious activities will only oblige me to notify the<br> > members of a single one of the five RIR regions regarding any single<br> > one of these elaborate criminal schemes. Alas, in this instance<br> > however, the perpetrators, in a very unsportsmanlike manner, elected<br> > to make messes whose roots were found in both the RIPE region and also<br> > in the APNIC region. (And that's not even to mention that most of the<br> > squatted IPv4 real estate was and is under the administration of the<br> > ARIN region.)<br> ><br> > Clearly, authorities in all five regions should be devoting somewhat<br> > more effort towards the cultivation of a better and more respectful<br> > class of cybercriminals who will confine their convoluted schemes to<br> > their own home regions.<br> ><br> ><br> > Regards,<br> > rfg<br> ><br> <br> --<br> Dr. Serge Droz<br> Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors<br> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C2f6a30d3cd21408fe43108d8969a16ec%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637424935833941387%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ZYQoXWNHJk8wQBBHAZcv6NcDKsDe7cp%2F2dy8SHzsSV8%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C2f6a30d3cd21408fe43108d8969a16ec%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637424935833941387%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ZYQoXWNHJk8wQBBHAZcv6NcDKsDe7cp%2F2dy8SHzsSV8%3D&reserved=0</a><br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>