<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Jordi,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you, yes, we're aware of that, and I know you know the PDP quite well, but I felt it was worth stating the relevant piece for others. </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> We will be back to you soon.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Brian Nisbet </p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Service Operations Manager</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </p> </div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday 9 September 2020 10:21<br> <b>To:</b> Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")</font> <div> </div> </div> <style>  </style> <div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <p></p> <div style="background-color:#FFCACA; width:100%; border-style:solid; border-color:#9C6500; border-width:1pt; padding:2pt; font-size:10pt; line-height:12pt; font-family:'Calibri'; color:Black; text-align:left"> <span style="color:#9C6500">CAUTION[External]:</span> This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.</div> <br> <p></p> <div> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Brian,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I�ve already sent you (and the co-chairs and policy officer) my rational for disagreement yesterday.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I�m not sure if I need to copy to the list (I will read the PDP for refreshing myself on the appeals process later on today) or how much I should wait for your response before (if needed, hopefully not), starting an appeal.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Regards,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Jordi</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">@jordipalet</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></p> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 9/9/20 10:54, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Brian Nisbet" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>> escribi�:</p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Morning,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">If you have specific disagreements with the Co-Chairs, then please contact us at aa-wg-chair@ripe.net with the your reasoning for 2019-04 has reached consensus.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The appeals procedure beyond that is detailed in RIPE 710 and I have copied & pasted the specific paragraph here:</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">"If a grievance cannot be resolved with the chair of the WG the matter can be brought to the attention of the Working Group Chairs Collective (WGCC). Anyone may submit an appeal. This must be submitted to the relevant WG mailing list(s) and to the Policy Announce Mailing List (policy-announce@ripe.net). The appeal will also be published by the RIPE NCC at appropriate locations on the RIPE web site. Any appeal should include a detailed and specific description of the issues and clearly explain why the appeal was submitted. An appeal must be submitted no later than four weeks after the appealable action has occurred. </span></p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The WGCC will decide by consensus whether to uphold or reject appeals which have been submitted. The decision of the WGCC should be reached no later than four weeks of an appeal being made. Interested parties shall recuse themselves from any discussion or decision within the WGCC relating to the appeal.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">If the dispute cannot be resolved by the decision of the WGCC, the issue should be brought to the RIPE Chair. The decision of the RIPE Chair will be final."</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The WGCC can be contacted at wg-chairs@ripe.net</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">However the first step is to contact the WG Chairs for AA-WG with an argument against our decision.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Brian</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div id="x_Signature"> <div> <div id="x_divtagdefaultwrapper"> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Brian Nisbet </span></p> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Service Operations Manager</span></p> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</span></p> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</span></p> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</span></p> <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:35.4pt; text-align:center"> <hr size="0" width="100%" align="center"> </div> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of JJS JJS <no0484985@gmail.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday 9 September 2020 02:37<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")</span> </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div style="border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt; padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt"> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt; line-height:12.0pt; background:#FFCACA"> <span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:#9C6500">CAUTION[External]:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:black"> This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.</span></p> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I disagree that it did not reach consensus. There was never any proper measure of whether it reached consensus. </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">---</p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> </div> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:48 AM Petrit Hasani <<a href="mailto:phasani@ripe.net">phasani@ripe.net</a>> wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none; border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-right:0cm"> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"> Dear colleagues,<br> <br> The policy proposal 2019-04, "Validation of "abuse-mailbox�� has been withdrawn.<br> <br> The proposal aimed to have the RIPE NCC validate "abuse-c:� information more often and introduce a new validation process.<br> <br> The proposal is archived and can be found at:<br> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fpolicies%2Farchived-policy-proposals%2Farchive-policy-proposals%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C67078553974541cd0eb208d854a1c354%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637352401030066177&sdata=Xcs6Z7sSfR7vagH1CcdO8Cwcki41xW5%2FOTY5%2BYwRep4%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/archived-policy-proposals/archive-policy-proposals/" shash="ESfmYiOnH+0EoXtdain7a3dVj/LW7zxnuY9h4n5spGBl3cVkFzEd8tUS5SpbARdahMO4PrfuhHxFo2c+/i9odq5qCispSgqG0QUjgehOGzuEBYQPzUb4hQbgXo7uYgCCJ927w2wq8RHF6NFqPqhGWg8tI07zBUai6ob0X39qRxk=" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/archived-policy-proposals/archive-policy-proposals/</a><br> <br> Reason for withdrawal:<br> The proposal did not reach consensus and the WG chairs did not feel that any further redrafting of the proposal would achieve consensus.<br> <br> Kind regards,<br> --<br> Petrit Hasani<br> Policy Officer<br> RIPE NCC<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> **********************************************<br> IPv4 is over<br> Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br> http://www.theipv6company.com<br> The IPv6 Company<br> <br> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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