<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Serge, all,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad Cohen is still under moderation on this WG and every mail is being reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Right now, his emails only reach the list if someone replies to them, copying the list, so I will repeat our request that people not do that, please.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> If you wish to report any communication to the list, please contact the Co-Chairs at aa-wg-chair@ripe.net</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> The Co-Chairs have noted this email. We agree it contravenes the Community guidelines and Code of Conduct and will be taking further action.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thanks,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG</div> <div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Brian Nisbet </p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Service Operations Manager</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday 9 July 2020 14:32<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.<br> <br> <br> Hello @Moderators<br> <br> Can you please suspend this participant? I take offense at this. We may<br> disagree on issues and opinions. However I feel there is no space for<br> name calling.<br> <br> Best regards<br> Serge<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On 09.07.20 15:16, Elad Cohen wrote:<br> > Michele how more bigger asshole you can be to be the puppet of spamhaus<br> > so you will be able monetize your connections with them to more $$$<br> ><br> > You are a loser and you are a disgraceful businessman and you are a<br> > disgrace to the whole internet community<br> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> > *From:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of<br> > Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com><br> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 4:02 PM<br> > *To:* Serge Droz <serge.droz@first.org>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br> > <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> > *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers<br> ><br> > +1 on all points<br> ><br> > That someone who won't even disclose who they are has the gall to demand<br> > that Spamhaus or anyone else should is hilarious and disturbing.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Mr Michele Neylon<br> ><br> > Blacknight Solutions<br> ><br> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br> ><br> > <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=mWZajcgnf2SlPOQeNBhszWJmCBYZV0Ee2Ma2Lrky4eA%3D&reserved=0"> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=mWZajcgnf2SlPOQeNBhszWJmCBYZV0Ee2Ma2Lrky4eA%3D&reserved=0</a><br> > <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=YU3IkWHTh8RiqIB7Hx0STgjwy3TBnMaIxRgMatZBZ%2B8%3D&reserved=0"> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=YU3IkWHTh8RiqIB7Hx0STgjwy3TBnMaIxRgMatZBZ%2B8%3D&reserved=0</a> /<br> ><br> > <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=JaayCpznD9AJAYil4HMgXaXme9ywVp27de07uFhSz6w%3D&reserved=0"> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=JaayCpznD9AJAYil4HMgXaXme9ywVp27de07uFhSz6w%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<br> ><br> > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<br> ><br> > -------------------------------<br> ><br> > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,<br> > Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br> ><br> > On 09/07/2020, 07:30, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Serge Droz via<br> > anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of<br> > anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote:<br> ><br> > Hi Info<br> ><br> > Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis<br> > that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse.<br> > The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes.<br> ><br> > You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not<br> > for free, you need abuse people that investigate and they cost money.<br> > Sadly, many of these VPNs frankly just don't care, using the lame excuse<br> > that they are protecting fundamental rights, when in fact they are just<br> > don't care or take responsibility.<br> ><br> > I don't agree with everything Spamhaus does, but I find them responsible<br> > and and always found a way way to talk to them.<br> ><br> > I was reluctant writing this, because I'm not sure this discussion will<br> > lead anywhere. It's one of these where opinions seem to already have<br> > been formed.<br> ><br> > But you start accusing people of posting anonymously. I totally agree<br> > this is bad, but then, who are you, info@fos-vpn.org?<br> ><br> > You don't seem to offer a name yourself. I find this a bit hypocritical.<br> ><br> > Best<br> > Serge<br> ><br> ><br> > On 08.07.20 20:46, info@fos-vpn.org wrote:<br> > > All I would like from Spamhaus is to stop publishing fake SBL<br> > records in<br> > > order to discredit us and to use that to put pressure both upon us and<br> > > our upstreams.<br> > > Non-logging VPN services are as legal within the EU as Exit Nodes<br> > of the<br> > > Tor Network (which have massive abuse entries in various data bases,<br> > > especially the larger ones) and public WiFi Hotspots, which can be<br> > used<br> > > for abusive activities, too.<br> > ><br> > > I don't know who "PP" is (probably the same person which posts<br> > under the<br> > > nickname "Petras Simeon" on Twitter and on various boards), but he<br> > > contacted us and our upstream providers without telling his name, just<br> > > using this email address: phishphucker@storey.ovh and sending us the<br> > > list of SBL entries which he also posted here.<br> > > Don't know if he's working for Spamhaus or not, but before attacking<br> > > others publicly, people should reveal their true identity,<br> > anything else<br> > > would be sneaky in my opinion.<br> > ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Dr. Serge Droz<br> > Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors<br> > <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=7%2BeIUYKg7nQPf3Ospp8hMVqhTZZyoejM1AZTTrNq4y8%3D&reserved=0"> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=7%2BeIUYKg7nQPf3Ospp8hMVqhTZZyoejM1AZTTrNq4y8%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> ><br> <br> --<br> Dr. Serge Droz<br> Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors<br> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=7%2BeIUYKg7nQPf3Ospp8hMVqhTZZyoejM1AZTTrNq4y8%3D&reserved=0">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C582a216f9425452c2ff108d8240c7e4b%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298983383420558&sdata=7%2BeIUYKg7nQPf3Ospp8hMVqhTZZyoejM1AZTTrNq4y8%3D&reserved=0</a><br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>