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Thank you Arash.</div>
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Brian, that is no my opinion, I only provided a link to a private presentation that "The Spamhaus Project" wrote on themselves and showed it in a private event - and in it they are saying on themselves that they gain massive amount of illegaly obtained privacy
data from many internet organizations and internet companies - and then they say on themselves that they share it with Law Enforcement Agencies without any warrant (meaning in illegal way), please don't distort the facts like "The Spamhaus Project" are doing
using their secret contacts inside many internet organizations such as Ripe (like Richard D G Cox was, a Co-chair of the same working group that you are a Co-chair of it now).<br>
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Here is the link to the presentation that Richard D G Cox wrote (another past Co-chair of this working group), that Brian consider to be "my opinion" on "The Spamhaus Project":</div>
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<a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation</a><br>
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Respectfully,</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80</font>
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<div dir="ltr">I appreciate if no one including the Co-chairs speaks on behalf of "everyone" in the list. in my opinion is it very unlikely that "everyone" has the same opinion in a public mailing list which is totally fine.
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:41 PM Brian Nisbet <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>> wrote:<br>
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Elad,<br>
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Let me be very clear here, we will not be discussing this during the meeting in May.<br>
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Repeated assertions do not make a thing true and at this point everyone is very clear on your opinion of Spamhaus. I will ask you directly to cease these kinds of emails to the list. This is the last time I hope I have to say this.<br>
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Brian<br>
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG<br>
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Brian Nisbet<br>
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From: Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io" target="_blank">elad@netstyle.io</a>><br>
Sent: Monday 20 April 2020 10:11<br>
To: Brian Nisbet; <a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80<br>
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Hello Brian,<br>
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I have a matter that I would like to raise:<br>
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The anti-abuse illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" and how it is damaging and hurting many businesses worldwide, how the contacts of that illegal anonymous organizations are part of the anti-abuse community (including in this working group
like Richard D G Cox was) and how they are violating global privacy laws with the support of LEA's - all of it in illegal way according to the LEA's countries and according to the following presentation of "The Spamhaus Project":<br>
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<a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation</a><<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=FRYOtS2YOdR7mbCRzPZY6XIyYhhUi1UAJ2BWWmiTwOc%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F445894312%2FSpamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=FRYOtS2YOdR7mbCRzPZY6XIyYhhUi1UAJ2BWWmiTwOc%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>
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Besides it, there is another matter of "The Spamhaus Project" not being regulated and supervised by any country/government/LEA - in this way members of "The Spamhaus Project" can abuse it for their own benefits, for example the criminal which is the owner of
the twitter account <a href="https://twitter.com/underthebreach" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://twitter.com/underthebreach</a><<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=8ulNyrx0SdD0zO0Qq4nDHvEA5d8Aqi2%2FHyKd3hF3tG8%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Funderthebreach&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021490189&sdata=8ulNyrx0SdD0zO0Qq4nDHvEA5d8Aqi2%2FHyKd3hF3tG8%3D&reserved=0</a>>
and is part of "The Spamhaus Project", for example Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise (<a href="https://wordtothewise.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wordtothewise.com/</a><<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021500188&sdata=ZdxcdA1R6A4VoDdTSs0L6RU6AmK%2B5qyh9LFypvv8dck%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwordtothewise.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021500188&sdata=ZdxcdA1R6A4VoDdTSs0L6RU6AmK%2B5qyh9LFypvv8dck%3D&reserved=0</a>>)
which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service, for example members of "The Spamhaus Project" which are working in email delivery companies and "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking their competitors.<br>
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Another matter that I would like to raise is the use of profiling in the anti-abuse community including in "The Spamhaus Project", profiling is being used by dumb people that don't know how to their work otherwise, it is the "easy" (and to my opinion - highly
illegal) way. The anti-abuse community should raise its voice against any kind of profiling being done by the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".<br>
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Respectfully,<br>
Elad<br>
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From: anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Brian Nisbet <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" target="_blank">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:08 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br>
Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items RIPE 80<br>
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Colleagues,<br>
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As you are all no doubt aware RIPE 80 will be an online only meeting.<br>
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This is a new departure for us all, but significant preparation has already been done and I'm really looking forward to a great event.<br>
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The Anti-Abuse WG has a slot from 10:00 - 10:45 CEST on Thursday 14th May. If you have any matters you'd like to raise, please let me know as soon as possible.<br>
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And remember, you need to register for RIPE 80. You can do so, free of charge, here:<br>
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<a href="https://ripe80.ripe.net/attend/register/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ripe80.ripe.net/attend/register/</a><<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fripe80.ripe.net%2Fattend%2Fregister%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021500188&sdata=aIrgfJsl9e5dcMx40bwT26KuwEvpkXk8VkRJ2ixDo18%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fripe80.ripe.net%2Fattend%2Fregister%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7C40da683e73a74aa47a7f08d7e50ad55e%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637229707021500188&sdata=aIrgfJsl9e5dcMx40bwT26KuwEvpkXk8VkRJ2ixDo18%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Brian<br>
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Brian Nisbet<br>
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