<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">All organizations can (and should) act on abusive behaviours to the extent possible, regardless of further work determining if that behaviour is also illegal or not. <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">As Jordi said, policies exist for that purpose. </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">To set boundaries of acceptable behavior and rules that define the posture of the community and the relations within the community.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s a difference between being neutral and being passive.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class="">Rogerio</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 17, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Marcolla, Sara Veronica <<a href="mailto:Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu" class="">Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Sure, respecting the legal framework is the basis of our legal systems, and abiding to rules and legal procedures is paramount. This said, private companies can themselves act in such a way to discourage criminals to take advantage of their resources, through having rules in place that disallow certain behaviours.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Sara Marcolla<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Europol -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">O3 European Cyber Crime Centre (EC3)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""><a href="http://www.europol.europa.eu/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">www.europol.europa.eu</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Maxi <<a href="mailto:maxi@zeug.co" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">maxi@zeug.co</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>17 April 2020 10:58<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Marcolla, Sara Veronica <<a href="mailto:Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: @EXT: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Executive Board election<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Dear Sara,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">This is not a personal attack on you, but I would handle your request like every other request from the police -> Go get a court order. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">When the RIPE would decide to block off abusive behaviour with out external orders, wouldn’t that open the RIPE to stuff like: “Hey in our country this and this party is abusive, lets delete the resources of them”?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">So no, I would not want the RIPE to make such decisions on her own. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Maxi<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Impressum:<br class="">Zeug e.K.<br class="">Hochstraße 15<br class="">92637 Theisseil<br class=""><br class="">Inhaber: Maximilian Schieder<br class=""><br class="">Telefon: 015678 572314<br class=""><a href="mailto:maxi@zeug.co" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">E-Mail: maxi@zeug.co</a><br class=""><br class="">Registergericht:<br class="">Amtsgericht Weiden in der Oberpfalz Registernummer: <br class="">HRA 2907<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On 17. Apr 2020, at 10:54, Marcolla, Sara Veronica <<a href="mailto:Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Sara.Marcolla@europol.europa.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hi Maxi,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Technical innovation can be harnessed for social good, but just as readily for nefarious ends. This is truer of cybercrime than of perhaps any other crime area. And cybercriminals are also getting more aggressive. That’s why Europol and its partner organisations are taking the fight to them on all fronts.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Encouraging all members of the Internet community to join the fight against crime is one of the objectives of the Cybercrime centre, and working together with public-private partnerships is the best way to achieve these results. If you are interested, you can find out more on our official website:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-trends/crime-areas/cybercrime" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-trends/crime-areas/cybercrime</span></a>.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Kind regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""> </span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Sara Marcolla</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">Europol -<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class="">O3 European Cyber Crime Centre (EC3)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 36, 93);" class=""><a href="http://www.europol.europa.eu/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: purple;" class="">www.europol.europa.eu</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</span></a>><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxi<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>17 April 2020 10:43<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hey,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Is this the official point of view from Europol?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">If so, please have in mind that the RIPE NCC has to follow certain court rules. The RIPE NCC should stay neutral, because only courts could decide if something is illegal or not.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">//Maxi<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Impressum:<br class="">Zeug e.K.<br class="">Hochstraße 15<br class="">92637 Theisseil<br class=""><br class="">Inhaber: Maximilian Schieder<br class=""><br class="">Telefon: 015678 572314<br class=""><a href="mailto:maxi@zeug.co" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">E-Mail: maxi@zeug.co</span></a><br class=""><br class="">Registergericht:<br class="">Amtsgericht Weiden in der Oberpfalz Registernummer: <br class="">HRA 2907</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">*******************<br class=""><br class="">DISCLAIMER : This message is sent in confidence and is only intended for the named recipient. 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