<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian and the other co-chairs have never claimed to be the internet police, however they are the co-chairs of this group. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t agree with every bit of legislation, but that does not mean that the laws are not binding on me<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Arguing that simply because you do not agree with a rule that it shouldn’t apply to you is farcical.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Put more simply, if you want to participate in RIPE Community discussions you need to abide by the rules. 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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#191919;background:white"> </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">R93 X265<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Fi Shing <phishing@storey.xxx><br> <b>Date: </b>Saturday 18 January 2020 at 07:23<br> <b>To: </b>"anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">It appears you missed the point of my email.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">How can you say rules apply to this list, but not RIPE itself?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Given the logic of many on this list:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <ol start="1" type="1"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> You are not the internet police,<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> Some people may not agree with a rule, so therefore there are no rules at all,<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> you, as an administrator enforcing this rule of "no personal attacks" would require you to open your emails, which is too much to ask of you as an administrator.<o:p></o:p></li></ol> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #C2C2C2 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">--------- Original Message --------- <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Subject: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct<br> From: "Brian Nisbet" <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><br> Date: 1/17/20 10:42 pm<br> To: "Fi Shing" <phishing@storey.xxx>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Honestly, you can disagree all you want, but there are rules of conduct in the RIPE community and on this list. My email served as a polite reminder of those rules. If a member of the list chooses not to follow them, then steps will be taken in regards to direct communication, then moderation of postings if it is felt necessary and on from there.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Co-Chairs would greatly prefer not to have to deal with any of this, nor impose any restrictions on engagement with the working group, but if we must, we must, because such attacks do not help the list discussion nor the policy development process.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brian Nisbet<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Service Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span lang="EN-US"> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Fi Shing<br> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Friday 17 January 2020 11:33<br> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></strong> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">>> <span style="color:black;background:white">but we can tell you not to do it here, so please don't.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Well... no, i disagree.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brian Nisbet, i would like to remind you, that ... <u>You are not the Internet Police</u>.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In fact, what you consider to be a rule, might not be something that every single person on this planet also considers to be a rule, and so therefore, we have no rules at all, nor is there any basis for you to impose any rules on this list such as that which you have said.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To enforce this rule of "no personal attacks", would require you to open you email and read it once every year. That is too much for RIPE to envisage. It's too much resources. It's something that no administrator such as you SHOULD HAVE TO DO.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So therefore, let us discuss, in meaningless circular fashion, similar to what you find inside an insane asylum, this idea of yours.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">SOUND FAMILIAR, ANYONE?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #C2C2C2 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">--------- Original Message ---------<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct<br> From: "Brian Nisbet" <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>><br> Date: 1/17/20 8:23 pm<br> To: "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <br> Colleagues,<br> <br> It seems that at some point in every large list discussion I am compelled to send a mail of this type. This is not in response to any single mail, rather it is a reminder to all.<br> <br> Please remember to conduct yourselves well on this list, to discuss the matter at hand and not to attack the person writing the email. Most of the list discussion takes place in the appropriate manner, but I realise that when we're discussing matters about which any of us are passionate we can forget this.<br> <br> Ad hominem attacks, general slights, unfounded accusations, and many other things do not contribute to the list discussion. The Co-Chairs can't tell you not to send them by private mail (albeit we'd greatly prefer you didn't) nor to act in this manner in other for a (albeit we'd prefer if you didn't do that either), but we can tell you not to do it here, so please don't.<br> <br> Thank you all for your interest and passion for this subject.<br> <br> Brian<br> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG<br> <br> Brian Nisbet <br> Service Operations Manager<br> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<br> 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<br> +35316609040 <a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a href="http://www.heanet.ie"> www.heanet.ie</a><br> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>