<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=PT link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Agree, This anti-abuse list seems the blocking group to any anit-abuse response measure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It's amazing that nobody cant propose anything without receiving a shower of all sorts of arguments against<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is an idea that everyone has to hold, if as a community we cannot organize a policy, one of these days there will be a problem that will make governments take the opportunity to legislate and we will no longer have the free and open internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There are a feew ideas that is simple to understand:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1 - If you have been assigned a network you have responsibilities, paying should not be the only one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2 - There is no problem with email, since ever are made solutions to integrate with emails. There is no need to invent a new protocol. Who has a lot of abuse, invests in integrating these emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>3 - If you have no ability to manage abuse should not have addressing, leave it to professionals.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The internet is critical for everyone, the ability for actors to communicate with each other to respond to abuse must exist and RIPE must ensure that it exists.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s like the relation with local governments, there is a set of information that has to be kept up to date to avoid problems, in RIPE it must be the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sergio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fi Shing<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 de janeiro de 2020 04:55<br><b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> Best not to judge the race until it has been fully run.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I just do not understand how anyone on this list (other than a criminal or a business owner that wants to reduce over heads by abolishing an employee who has to sit and monitor an abuse desk) could be talking about making it easier for abuse to flourish.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is idiotic and is not ad hominem.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This list is filled with people who argue for weeks, perhaps months, about the catastrophic world ending dangers of making an admin verify an abuse address ONCE a year .... and then someone says "let's abolish abuse desk all together" and these idiots emerge from the wood work like the termites that they are and there's no resistance?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The good news is that nothing talked about on this list is ever implemented, so .. talk away you criminals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #C2C2C2 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>--------- Original Message --------- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")<br>From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>><br>Date: 1/16/20 11:47 am<br>To: "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>><br><br>In message <<a href="mailto:20200115155949.af7f9f79718891d8e76b551cf73e1563.e548b98006.mailapi@%0bemail19.asia.godaddy.com">20200115155949.af7f9f79718891d8e76b551cf73e1563.e548b98006.mailapi@<br>email19.asia.godaddy.com</a>>, "Fi Shing" <<a href="mailto:phishing@storey.xxx">phishing@storey.xxx</a>> wrote:<br><br>>That is the most stupid thing i've read on this list.<br><br>Well, I think you shouldn't be quite so harsh in your judgement. It is<br>not immediately apparent that you have been on the list for all that long.<br>So perhaps you should stick around for awhile longer before making such<br>comments. If you do, I feel sure that there will be any number of<br>stupider things that may come to your attention, including even a few<br>from your's truly.<br><br>Best not to judge the race until it has been fully run.<br><br>>Which criminal is paying you to say this nonsense, because no ordinary person<br>>that has ever received a spam email would ever say such crap.<br><br>I would also offer the suggestion that such inartful commentary, being as<br>it is, ad hominem, is not at all likely to advance your agenda. It may<br>have felt good, but I doubt that you have changed a single mind, other<br>than perhaps one or two who will now be persuaded to take the opposing<br>position, relative to whatever it was that you had hoped to achieve.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>rfg<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>