<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> </head> <body> <div> <div> <div> <div style="direction: ltr;">Applause. </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature"> <div style="direction: ltr;">--srs</div> </div> </div> <div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Richard Clayton <richard@highwayman.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:32 PM<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") <div> </div> </font></div> In message <02d201d5cb84$89d6b950$9d842bf0$@makeitsimple.pt>, =?iso- <br> 8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Rocha?= <sergio.rocha@makeitsimple.pt> writes <br> <br> >Maybe we can change the approach. <br> >If RIPE website had a platform to post abuse report, that send the email for <br> >the abuse contact, it will be possible to evaluate the responsiveness of the <br> >abuse contact. <br> <br> Making such a scheme compulsory would be unacceptable to people who wish <br> to interact with network owners without disclosing that in public ... <br> <br> ... sometimes because they do not wish their names to be known, <br> sometimes because they do not wish their techniques for (and speed at) <br> detecting abuse to become known. <br> <br> So making it compulsory would be completely counterproductive. <br> <br> Making use of such a website voluntary would also be unwise because the <br> people who do not wish their reports to be public are probably in the <br> majority (I speculate) so that reputation system would fail to include <br> the majority of reports that are made (and I again speculate) the <br> overwhelming majority of reports that are acted upon. <br> <br> Producing non-biased reputation systems is very hard ... <br> <br> >This way anyone that report an abuse could assess not only the response but <br> >also the effectiveness of the actions taken by the network owner. After some <br> >time with this evaluations we would easy to realize who manages the reports <br> >and even who does not respond at all. <br> <br> ... I think also there is a risk of total confusion by conflating many <br> different types of abuse and many different types of reporter into a <br> single system. <br> <br> -- <br> richard Richard Clayton <br> <br> Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary <br> Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov 1755 <br> </div> </body> </html>